Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Rheme and Reason

2017-06-12 Thread John F Sowa
On 6/11/2017 5:08 PM, Jon Awbrey wrote: An icon is an icon when it's interpreted as an icon. An index is an index when it's interpreted as an index. The same goes for term, sentence, argument by any name. The first two sentences are true. But the third is false. In natural languages and artif

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

2017-06-12 Thread kirstima
John, Actually Sheldrake was able to test a hypothesis (which, to my knowledge he did not himself believe in at the time)on non-local effects. His series of experiments (one will never do) on pidgeons are truly ingenious and suberb AS experimental designs. If that is agreed (after thorough st

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Rheme and Reason. A comment on CP 3.440

2017-06-12 Thread kirstima
Jerry, list Dictionary may not be the source to turn to. ERGO is an abbreviation used by CSP to his audience at the time. There are hidden parts, assumed to be self-evidently known to all his readers. In another parts of his writings CSP tells that the primary and fundamental logical relatio

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

2017-06-12 Thread John F Sowa
On 6/12/2017 7:33 AM, kirst...@saunalahti.fi wrote: It may well be that it is LOGICALLY impossible to prove. That may be true. That may be like the existence of God. There are no proofs that God exists. There are no proofs that God does not exist. In fact, there are no two people -- believer

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

2017-06-12 Thread kirstima
Well, it is well known that CSP was not so very keen on existence. Even though he succeeded in completing his Existential Graphs to his full approval. But on being that was not the case. Being was to him the key to what is real. What was real (to him) was effects. Does belief in God have e

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

2017-06-12 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Kirst, list: I'm not sure of the logic of: "Does belief in God have effects. - It most certainly does. No statitical tests needed. " Can the effects of a person's belief in god be linked dire

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Rheme and Reason. A comment on CP 3.440

2017-06-12 Thread John F Sowa
On 6/11/2017 10:32 AM, g...@gnusystems.ca wrote: Peirce says in CP 3.429 that “Logic may be defined as the science of the laws of the stable establishment of beliefs.”I’ll quote a bit more of the article below, but I’d recommend reading the whole of it in CP 3, if you have access to it. I str

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

2017-06-12 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List: Kirsti’s very solid post is worthy of a very careful read, although I not state the case so forcefully. In general, although I have not studied Sheldrake’s work as closely as she, I have followed it for several decades from the perspective of biochemical dose-response relationships. I

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Rheme and Reason

2017-06-12 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
> On Jun 11, 2017, at 4:08 PM, Jon Awbrey wrote: > > The big thing that classification maniacs tend to forget about > types of signs in a sign relational theory of signs is that they > are always interpretive and relative never essential and absolute. The chemical table of elements is based on

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Rheme and Reason. A comment on CP 3.440

2017-06-12 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List: > On Jun 12, 2017, at 6:50 AM, kirst...@saunalahti.fi wrote: > > ERGO present just the THEN part. from Wikipedia (sorry!) Ergo may refer to: A Latin word meaning "therefore" as in Cogito ergo sum . A Greek word έργο meaning "work", used as a prefix ergo-, for example, in ergonomics

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Rheme and Reason. A comment on CP 3.440

2017-06-12 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List: > On Jun 12, 2017, at 8:25 AM, John F Sowa wrote: > > After those debates, they came to the conclusion that all three were > equivalent in computational power. In John Sowa’s context, how does one relate such assertions to semiotics in light of 3.468-3.475? Is computation power relevan

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

2017-06-12 Thread Eugene Halton
In the past generation in the United States, empathy among college students, as measured by standardized tests, has dropped about 40% according to a 2010 University of Michigan study, with the largest drop occurring after the year 2000. This is the new normal. Should we now suppose the previous nor

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

2017-06-12 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Eugene, list Interesting. If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting that 'empathy', as a societal characteristic, i.e., a habit/Thirdness within a population, might be removed from that population's behavi

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

2017-06-12 Thread Gary Richmond
John, Kirsti, list, John Sowa wrote: A useful term is 'prescientific'. That is not the same as 'unscientific'. It just means that the methods of science are not applicable. Perhaps someday they might be. But nobody knows how. I agree. Peirce used the term 'prescientific' in places in refere

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Rheme and Reason. A comment on CP 3.440

2017-06-12 Thread John F Sowa
On 6/12/2017 11:21 AM, Jerry LR Chandler wrote: Is computation power relevant to semiotics? If so, what are the forms of the propositions that transform illations to relations? As Peirce said, everything is relevant to semiotic. For starters, read his 1887 article on "Logical machines": http:

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

2017-06-12 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Yes as noted in the Wiki article [yes, I know, I know, how plebeian of me]..on Sheldrake, Brian Josephson [Nobel Laureate in Physics] - who does know of Peircean semiosis and indeed, supports it..wrote in criticism of Mad

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Rheme and Reason

2017-06-12 Thread Jon Awbrey
Gary, all ... One could hardly dispute the importance of implication relations like A ⇒ B. The set-theoretic analogues are subset relations like A ⊆ B, which are almost the canonical way of expressing constraint, determination, information, etc. There is again a deep analogy or isomorphism betwee

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Rheme and Reason. A comment on CP 3.440

2017-06-12 Thread Jerry Rhee
Dear list: I thought ‘ergo’ was simply identical with ‘hence’, which is what follows ‘the’ and ‘but’ in the argument CP 5.189. I believe *that* thought is simple and complex enough; for it contains terms, propositions and illation, as well. I see* even* the recognition that arguments may