Re: [PEIRCE-L] Quasi-mind

2018-02-18 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
List: Having received no corrections or objections to my summary of the relevant Peirce quotes, I would like to offer some further comments. In these contexts, at least, Quasi-minds are clearly indispensable to Sign-action. In fact, there must be at least *two *Quasi-minds (#4-5) involved, such

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The concept of system is just a human abstraction

2018-02-18 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, John, Stephen: A few technical comment from a chemist may be helpful here because the semiotics of chemical sciences developed a forma logic for relationships among all chemical elements. The logical formalism is virtually complete but minor enhancements are necessary from time to time

[PEIRCE-L] Lowell Lecture 4.2

2018-02-18 Thread gnox
Continuing from Lowell Lecture 4.1, https://www.fromthepage.com/jeffdown1/1903-lowell-lectures/ms-466-467-1903-l owell-lecture-iv/display/13956: The only reason I do not agree with Dedekind in making mathematics a branch of logic is that logic is not a science of pure assumptions but is a

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Systems and Semiosis

2018-02-18 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Stephen - yes, I agree - one really can't say where 'consciousness' ends; nor can we outline the boundaries of the mind. Therefore - yes, words are indeed 'frail vessels' - and it's difficult to set their

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Systems and Semiosis

2018-02-18 Thread Stephen C. Rose
I have no idea where consciousness ends. Nor of the boundaries of mind. If everything is signs, then a substantial part of everything may be mystery, awaiting our understanding. This is one reason why I think words themselves are frail vessels. To set their parameters or even their utility is not

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The concept of system is just a human abstraction

2018-02-18 Thread Stephen C. Rose
I think that anywhere that choice can be said to exist there freedom also exists and from our point of view and perhaps all others chance as well. I think we are on the threshold of learning more and more about the reality of which we are all part. In the song "Idiot Wind" Dylan says 'it's a

RE: [PEIRCE-L] The concept of system is just a human abstraction

2018-02-18 Thread Stephen Jarosek
John, Edwina Even though I am not a chemist, I chose my words very carefully! My choice of the two words "silicon molecule" specifically precludes the word "atom". What you are saying, with regards to how a silicon atom combines with other atoms into molecules is fine. And then there is the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The concept of system is just a human abstraction

2018-02-18 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } John - exactly, I fully agree - and nicely said. AND in addition, all these processes are semiosic and involve Mind. Edwina On Sun 18/02/18 10:24 AM , John F Sowa s...@bestweb.net sent: On 2/18/2018 7:40 AM,

[PEIRCE-L] The concept of system is just a human abstraction

2018-02-18 Thread John F Sowa
On 2/18/2018 7:40 AM, Stephen Jarosek wrote: As far as the silicon molecule is concerned, the stone has no context that is relevant to it. The silicon molecule receives no cue from the stone as to what its properties should be. That is not true. A silicon atom behaves in very different ways