Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Destinate Interpretant and Predestinate Opinion (was To put an end ...)

2020-05-24 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Robert, Jon, List, It is clear that Monod and Peirce are offering competing sets of metaphysical hypotheses. They seem to agree that biological evolution proceeds, in some sense, from random variations. From this common starting point, the positions differ on a number of points, including the

Fwd: Re: [PEIRCE-L] The plethora of Interpretants

2020-05-24 Thread a . breemen
Jon Alen, I do not even need to read te second and third alinea of your post. Of course Short is right in this view. But that is trivial and not in conflict with my statement. It simply follows from the difference in viewpoint: type vs process. And to be frank I think it is better to leave your

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Destinate Interpretant and Predestinate Opinion (was To put an end ...)

2020-05-24 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Jeff, list I'm going to quibble with you that Peirce and Monod have entirely different views - on metaphysics or otherwise. I consider them compatible. I've used Monod in my own work in semiosis and for a reason - I felt he supported Peirce's agapistic view of the devel

Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Destinate Interpretant and Predestinate Opinion (was To put an end ...)

2020-05-24 Thread Helmut Raulien
Edwina, Jon, Robert, Jeff, List, Ā  I am wondering about the difference between Telos and Purpose: Is it so, that Telos is a Purpose, but not one of the individualĀ“s mind, but of a mind of a system on another classificational level, or, speaking with Salthe, at another subsumption level? Then the

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Destinate Interpretant and Predestinate Opinion (was To put an end ...)

2020-05-24 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Edwina, Helmut, Robert, Jon, List, The primary purpose of my post was to point out that there are good methodological reasons for avoiding the temptation of importing metaphysical claims into the discussion of the normative theory of semiotics. Monod's philosophical views in metaphysics, logi

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Destinate Interpretant and Predestinate Opinion (was To put an end ...)

2020-05-24 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Jeff, list I'm not here to defend or promote Monod - but I think that your description of him differs greatly from my own interpretation and use of him in my own work in semiotics. 1] You write: JEFF: "Here is an example of the kind of position Monod is putting

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] The plethora of Interpretants

2020-05-24 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Auke, List: AvB: I do not even need to read te second and third alinea of your post ... And to be frank I think it is better to leave your 'explanation' in the 2nd and 3th alinea undiscussed in all detail. Okay, but those two paragraphs are quite relevant to my overall theory of semeiosis and f

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Destinate Interpretant and Predestinate Opinion (was To put an end ...)

2020-05-24 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Helmut, Jeff, List: HR: I am wondering about the difference between Telos and Purpose ... *Telos *is simply the Greek word for "end," and when I use it, I am often just trying to avoid confusion with that which comes last in a temporal sequence. I mentioned *telos *twice in my previous post in