Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-07-03 Thread Jerry Rhee
Hi Gary, list, You said: "Secondly, why speak of Peirce's normatives sciences of esthetics, ethics, and logic as "exalted"? Who "exalts" them? What a strange expression to use about these sciences." Is it not *we Peirceans,* who exalts the normative sciences? I mean, *everybody* knows what the no

Aw: Re: RE: [PEIRCE-L] The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-07-03 Thread Helmut Raulien
Im agree with Edwina. I also agree, that a perfect society is one of social sphere omnipresence and omnipotence, leaving the individuals merely spontaneity, and no will. They are reduced to firstness, but what is done with this their residual spontaneity, secondness and thirdness, is only a matter

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-07-03 Thread Gary Richmond
Jerry, Gary F, Jerry, first, I would like to know why you -- or, for that matter, anyone -- can speak for all list members on any matter? ("like everyone else on this list") Secondly, why speak of Peirce's normatives sciences of esthetics, ethics, and logic as "exalted"? Who "exalts" them? What a

Re: RE: [PEIRCE-L] The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-07-03 Thread Edwina Taborsky
I personally find the comments by Henry James the elder rather ..I'm not sure of the word. Not merely naïve but possibly alarming. I consider that the agenda to develop a 'perfect society' has always been a basis for totalitarian subjugation - whether it be the socialism of fas

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-07-03 Thread Gary Richmond
Gary F, Thanks for this which I found quite interesting--and it was possible to read it in 3 minutes! I am working on a short message to post in this thread to include a consideration of Suzanne Langer's work in aesthetics and philosophy of mind, and which may have some bearing on the question. I

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-07-03 Thread Jerry Rhee
Gary F, list, I, like everyone else on this list I'm sure, am curious as to learn more about what you mean by this. Please elaborate, for we all stand in need of a clear explanation for why it is that a thing as exalted as Peirce's Trivium is merely being neglected, don't you agree? So please, te

RE: [PEIRCE-L] The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-07-03 Thread gnox
Gary R, list, I just came across a piece of the reverse side of Turning Signs that strikes me as relevant to the “ways in which Peirce's philosophical trivium might help inform the aesthetics, ethics, and critical thinking of the world as it emerges from the coronavirus pandemic” — and relevant

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Sign Relations

2020-07-03 Thread Jon Awbrey
Cf: Sign Relations • Semiotic Equivalence Relations 2 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/07/03/sign-relations-%e2%80%a2-semiotic-equivalence-relations-2/ A few items of notation are useful in discussing equivalence relations in general and semiotic equivalence relations in particular. (NB. The

Re: [PEIRCE-L] diagrams of semiosis

2020-07-03 Thread robert marty
Jon Alan, List After a private reply from Jon Alan and to my great regret, I find that it is in my own interest to stop debating with him on this thread. This is not a personal matter. I will soon propose a general reflection on the biases I have identified that prevent a serene scientific debate.