RE: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6

2021-07-06 Thread gnox
-requ...@list.iupui.edu On Behalf Of robert marty Sent: 6-Jul-21 12:13 To: Gary Fuhrman Cc: Peirce-L Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6 Gary F, List My opinion is that Mathematics and Philosophy are best placed where Peirce himself put them : Extract from

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6

2021-07-06 Thread robert marty
Gary F, List My opinion is that Mathematics and Philosophy are best placed where Peirce himself put them : Extract from (26) (DOC) The "Podium" of Universal Categories and their degenerate cases | robert marty - Academia.edu

RE: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6

2021-07-06 Thread gnox
Point of clarification: CSP: Formal logic, however developed, is mathematics. Formal logic, however, is by no means the whole of logic, or even its principal part. It is hardly to be reckoned as a part of logic proper. Logic has to define its aim; and in doing so is even more dependent upon ethics

RE: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6

2021-06-25 Thread gnox
Robert, that’s good, I’ll post slide 7 shortly so everyone knows what we’re talking about. I haven’t heard back from André about your previous post. One more comment on slide 6. Jon has suggested that “Perhaps André is merely attempting to preclude the misconception that Peirce's three catego

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6

2021-06-25 Thread robert marty
l-requ...@list.iupui.edu *On > Behalf Of *robert marty > *Sent:* 23-Jun-21 10:47 > *To:* Gary Fuhrman ; Peirce-L > > *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6 > > > > I will not follow you on this polemical tone because to criticize, in > scientific matte

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6

2021-06-24 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Gary F., List: I have been wondering exactly "what André means by 'gradually ordered'" ever since you posted that slide. Peirce seems to use "gradual" as a rough synonym for "continuous" when talking about change or variation, such as in NEM 2:248 (1895), CP 7.283-284 (c. 1895), and NEM 3:1076-10

RE: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6

2021-06-24 Thread gnox
.@gnusystems.ca Sent: 23-Jun-21 13:48 To: g...@gnusystems.ca; peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6 List, Part 2 of the slide presentation introduces Peirce’s “universal categories” with an outline of the 1867 paper in which he first presented h

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6

2021-06-23 Thread Gary Richmond
Gary F, List, GF: "Peirce’s three Categories are recognizable in his 1867 paper, but there is a big difference between “the manifold of sense” and the *phaneron*, and we can’t comprehend phaneroscopy without seeing the difference." GR: Thank you for emphasizing that significant difference, one wh

RE: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6

2021-06-23 Thread gnox
List, Part 2 of the slide presentation introduces Peirce’s “universal categories” with an outline of the 1867 paper in which he first presented his “New List of Categories.” This was decades before he started referring to them as Firstness, Secondness and Thirdness, and 35 years before he started

RE: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6

2021-06-23 Thread gnox
wait until we reach the stage of the slow read that deals with it before posting them. Gary f. From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu On Behalf Of robert marty Sent: 23-Jun-21 10:47 To: Gary Fuhrman ; Peirce-L Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6 I will not

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6

2021-06-23 Thread robert marty
ombative “debate.” > > Gary f. > > } { > > https://gnusystems.ca/wp/ }{ living the time > > > > *From:* peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu *On > Behalf Of *robert marty > *Sent:* 23-Jun-21 08:16 > *To:* Gary Fuhrman ; Peirce-L > > *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L]

RE: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6

2021-06-23 Thread gnox
Peirce-L Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6 List, I followed without intervening in the debates on André de Tienne's slides. The initiative is interesting because one spends a long time in a frame, breaking with the only particular reactions of the present.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6

2021-06-23 Thread robert marty
List, I followed without intervening in the debates on André de Tienne's slides. The initiative is interesting because one spends a long time in a frame, breaking with the only particular reactions of the present. Taking the time to discuss step by step on a constructed presentation can be emine

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6

2021-06-21 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Gary F., Gary R, LIst: As you both have already hinted, it was actually *Peirce *who introduced the word "consciousness" into the discussion, in the key quotes provided by Gary R. on Saturday and by me yesterday. CSP: *First*, "Qualisense," which means that element of Feeling which consists in *c

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6

2021-06-21 Thread Gary Richmond
Gary F, Auke, Jon, List, Gary F wrote: "Gary can still answer your question “Why consciousness and not awareness or apperception?” Actually, Jon introduced the word "consciousness" into the discussion, properly correcting my error. JAS: "I understand primisense/altersense/medisense (c. 1896) or

RE: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6

2021-06-21 Thread gnox
Auke, posting of the next slide does not cut off discussion of the previous slide. Gary can still answer your question “Why consciousness and not awareness or apperception?” if that’s what you are referring to as “unsettled.” Maybe you can clarify: are you asking why Gary chose the word “conscio

RE: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6

2021-06-21 Thread Auke van Breemen
Gary F. I think your next step is a little premature since there are still some unsettled questions regarding the slow read of the former sheet. Unless of course the method of tenacity is entertained, in that case you are justified to hurry up. Auke > Op 21 juni 2021 om 23:34 schreef g...@gnu

RE: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6

2021-06-21 Thread gnox
Continuing our slow read, here is the next slide of André De Tienne’s slideshow posted on the Peirce Edition Project (iupui.edu) site. Gary f. Text: Necessary assumption for the purposes of this talk: You are already minim