[PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-14 Thread Jon Awbrey
Cf: Peirce's Categories • 20 At: http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/05/14/peirces-categories-%e2%80%a2-20/ Peircers, Understanding another person's thought can be difficult. Understanding the way another understands a third person's thought, all the more so, even if that third person is not

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-13 Thread Jon Awbrey
Cf: Peirce's Categories • 19 At: http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/05/13/peirces-categories-%e2%80%a2-19/ Re: Peirce's Categories • 15 At: https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/05/01/peirces-categories-%e2%80%a2-15/ Another point where the onrush of discussion and the impact of worldly

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-11 Thread Jon Awbrey
Re: Peirce’s Categories • 15 At: https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/05/01/peirces-categories-%e2%80%a2-15/ Peirce List, “In These Uncertain Times” — ITUT is apparently the rubric du jour — it's become even harder to concentrate than usual and I keep losing track of tricky points coming up in

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-10 Thread robert marty
Auke, Bernard, List I do not know if I understood where the reluctance was. It seems to me that I may have to make some clarifications that will lead to avoid the misunderstandings for which I am solely responsible. 1- Category theory lives its life independently of Peirce's semiotics.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-10 Thread Gary Richmond
Bernard, It is so good to see you back on the list. Your contributions to list discussions have always been of interest and valued here. I'm sure I'm not alone in looking forward to your continued participation. Best wishes always, Gary "Time is not a renewable resource." gnox *Gary

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-10 Thread Helmut Raulien
      Correction: "mode of determination like in "O-S-I". List,   as the basis for Peitce´s 66 sign classes are these trichotomies:   1st, According to the Mode of Apprehension of the Sign itself, 2nd, According to the Mode of Presentation of the Immediate Object, 3rd, According to

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-10 Thread Helmut Raulien
List,   as the basis for Peitce´s 66 sign classes are these trichotomies:   1st, According to the Mode of Apprehension of the Sign itself, 2nd, According to the Mode of Presentation of the Immediate Object, 3rd, According to the Mode of Being of the Dynamical Object, 4th, According to

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-10 Thread a . breemen
Bernard (nice to hear from you), Robert, list, BM: As to the length your paper makes me shift in opinion : 3, 6 or 10 is probably a question of the required accuracy for the expected usage of the generated sign classes -- A nice observation, Bernard. Robert, Is this what I ought to or could

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-10 Thread Bernard Morand
Robert and list I break the silence of retirement to thank you for your excellent proof about the sign classes. I like proofs by induction because their simplicity throw out definitively any doubt off the subject matter. Being given a chain of successive determinations of sign features,

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-09 Thread Jon Awbrey
This is sequence No. A000217 ( https://oeis.org/A000217 ) in The On-Line Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences, N.J.A. Sloane (ed.), https://oeis.org/ See: https://oeis.org/wiki/Welcome Regards, Jon - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-09 Thread Helmut Raulien
    No, if you substitute k = n + 1.   Oops, I have done much hullaballoo about few: The formula is just the Gaussian sum-formula for triangle arrangement for k, with Tr. = k * (k + 1)/2 if you substitute n = k + 1.   Robert, Jon, Alan, List,   Here I have made a visually enhanced

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-09 Thread Helmut Raulien
    Oops, I have done much hullaballoo about few: The formula is just the Gaussian sum-formula for triangle arrangement for k, with Tr. = k * (k + 1)/2 if you substitute n = k + 1.   Robert, Jon, Alan, List,   Here I have made a visually enhanced derivation of the formula. The

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-09 Thread Jon Awbrey
Cf: Peirce's Categories • 17 At: https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/05/07/peirces-categories-%e2%80%a2-17/ Helmut, List ... I did not get to Helmut's question about reducibility so I added a link to an article on that, plus a few more giving background and examples for sign relations, triadic

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-07 Thread Jon Awbrey
Robert, You probably don't remember the discussions we had 20 years ago on the Texas Tech incarnation of this List and you may not have noticed I don't often join the debates over sign classification so frequently animating the animadversions of our current venue. As more the observer than the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-06 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Robert, Jon A., List: In CP 2.318 (1903), Peirce is discussing "the question whether every proposition has a Subject and a Predicate," and only brings up tricoexistence in the specific case of a *copulative *proposition. CSP: It predicates the genuinely Triadic relation of *tricoexistence*, "P

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-06 Thread robert marty
I do not see how we can talk here about an operative relationship that would be a triad relationship. It is not anything other than the composition of two morphisms and I do not ask for more. 3,2 and 1 are the "place names," and "involves" are arrow names that I usually call alpha and beta. Now

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-06 Thread Helmut Raulien
Jon, List,   Thank you! It will take some time for me to read and understand your wikipedia text, about the time it takes you to write 100 more texts. People have different capacities, I am looking forward to next life. Buuut, every effort will pay off, somehow, somewhen, and be it in the next

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-06 Thread Jon Awbrey
Re: > Does there exist a text for dummies? Once I was a dummy ... and then I read Peirce's 1870 Logic Of Relatives ... • https://oeis.org/wiki/Peirce%27s_1870_Logic_Of_Relatives_%E2%80%A2_Overview and I gradually became ... long time passing ... slightly less of a dummy ... There's a lot in

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-06 Thread Jon Awbrey
Robert, All ... Re: https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2020-05/msg00054.html As it happens, I've been working on a comment about your first point below but I'll post it back on your original thread, when and if I manage to put it in respectable shape, since I'm finding this welter of

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-05 Thread Jon Awbrey
Helmut, I've been trying to get back to your message of 4/12/2020 under the subject line "Categories and Speculative Grammar", but I'll reply under Robert's original subject line as the profusion of titles has been derailing my train of thought. Some of the material you allude to below has gone

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-04 Thread Robert Marty
Jon, List, Just for your information , my first articles on the subject: - Marty, Robert, « Catégories et foncteurs en sémiotique », *Semiosis*, n o 6,‎ 1977, p. 5-15 (ISSN 0170-219X

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-04 Thread Jon Awbrey
Cf: Peirce's Categories • 16 At: http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/05/04/peirces-categories-%e2%80%a2-16/ A feature of particular interest to me in Robert Marty’s paper is the resonance he finds between category theory, as it’s known in contemporary mathematics, and the study of Peirce’s

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-02 Thread Robert Marty
I prefer "brûler ses vaisseaux" (Agathode of Syracuse landing in Africa) Le sam. 2 mai 2020 à 14:17, Jon Awbrey a écrit : > Ha! whether I'm a cuckoo or an egg, and which came first, > only time will tell, but at least now you can truly say, > “Après moi, le déluge!” > > Regards, > > Jon > > On

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-02 Thread Jon Awbrey
Ha! whether I'm a cuckoo or an egg, and which came first, only time will tell, but at least now you can truly say, “Après moi, le déluge!” Regards, Jon On 5/1/2020 1:35 PM, robert marty wrote: Thank you Jon, you're a providence. The flow is fed by so many different sources that it becomes

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-01 Thread robert marty
Thank you Jon, you're a providence. The flow is fed by so many different sources that it becomes almost impossible to navigate. When we create a thread it happens that very quickly cuckoos come to lay their eggs so big that they bring down your children chicks from the nest ... I understood that

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-01 Thread Jon Awbrey
Robert, Jon A S, Gary F, Helmut, Peircers ... There were numerous issues stemming from Robert's post and paper, some central and some tangential, which attracted my interest and which I hope I can get back to. Seeing as how some of the earliest issues got a little lost in the flood of

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-04-15 Thread Jon Awbrey
Robert, All ... At this point I have mostly questions, which would take further research to answer, not to mention unpacking many books still in boxes from our move a year and a half ago, none of which I'm at liberty to do right now. So, just off the cuff ... "Presupposition" is one of those

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-04-15 Thread Robert Marty
I like ... what do you think of the presuppositions between the levels? Do they make sense to you ? Le mer. 15 avr. 2020 à 18:41, Jon Awbrey a écrit : > Robert, > > With a few choice exceptions I have always found Peirce's earlier > writings on categories, relations, and semiotics to be more

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-04-15 Thread Jon Awbrey
Robert, With a few choice exceptions I have always found Peirce's earlier writings on categories, relations, and semiotics to be more clear, exact, and fruitful in practice than his last attempts to explain himself without the requisite logical and mathematical formalisms. Still, I do like that