Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

Jerry R.: My concern was the nature of infinity relative to the nature of theology. Is it possible you mis-undeerstood my intended meaning? Cheers jerry c > On Feb 16, 2017, at 2:35 PM, Jerry Rhee wrote: > > Jerry C, Stephen, list: > > > When you ask such

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

Steven, List : > On Feb 10, 2017, at 8:04 AM, Stephen C. Rose wrote: > > Which makes it more imperative than ever that a way be found to make the > triadic mode more understandable and to say why it is infinitely superior to > binary thinking. Without it we perish. This

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

Saying reality is all does not mean everything is real. A unicorn is real only because of the role he or she plays in reality. Reality has no borders -- it is everything. Without an everything to designate with a word we are prey to binary or dualistic thinking which might be fine for some things

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

Clark, List: Right, that ambiguity surfaces in the two sentences that I initially mentioned a few days ago. - A unicorn has one horn. - Unicorns are real. The object of "unicorn" in the first sentence is the *idea *of a unicorn, and that is what makes it true, along with the fact that a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

> On Feb 14, 2017, at 12:04 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt > wrote: > > A Replica of the word "unicorn" is thus a Rhematic Indexical Sinsign that > calls up the idea of a unicorn because, although no unicorn really exists, > real descriptions of the unicorn are well known to

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

Ben, Clark, List: Peirce's comments about the phoenix do indeed seem relevant to the unicorn example and the nature of labels in general. CSP: A Rhematic Symbol or Symbolic Rheme is a sign connected with its Object by an association of general ideas in such a way that its Replica calls up an

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

Clark, list, I haven't read very much on the problem of reference and generality with respect to fictional characters, so I'm reluctant to say that it usually comes down to equivocation over terms. Also I have in mind Peirce's comment, I don't remember where, that the object determines the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

Clark, list, Yes, the different kinds of universe of discourse is indeed a "tricky bit" as you put it. If the sign's object is ultimately the universe of which the special object is a member, or part, then is there any reason for the sign not to be the universe of signs of which the special

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

Mike, list, You wrote, I think this does place Horace before Descartes. I can't beat that. If somebody says it's a bad pun, I say /the worse, the better/. Even Jon Awbrey ought to be impressed. You wouldn't believe the elaborate puns he used to do here, only problem was that one needed

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

://web.ncf.ca/collier From: Stephen C. Rose [mailto:stever...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 11 February 2017 5:11 AM To: John Collier <colli...@ukzn.ac.za>; Peirce List <Peirce-L@list.iupui.edu> Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspe

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

<peirce-l@list.iupui.edu>; Jon Alan Schmidt < > jonalanschm...@gmail.com> > *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" > from AI perspective > > > > A distinction between real and anything is to me a binary notion

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

Everything is real including unreality, fiction, laundry bags, ideas, muses, thoughts, coughs. There is nothing that is not real. At some point maybe I will go through Peirce and see if I can find the premises that back this up. Of course I will find his binary use of the term but I cannot believe

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

Hi Jon, Not to carry this thread beyond some useful threshold, see below: On 2/10/2017 7:18 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt wrote: Mike, List: I suspect that the questions of whether all generals are real and whether the

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

[jonalanschm...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 6:18 PM To: Mike Bergman Cc: Peirce List Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective Mike, List: I suspect that the questions of whether all generals are real and whether the fiction

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

On “'Whether such a thing as metaphysics be at all possible?' It seems almost ridiculous, while every other science is continually advancing, that in this, which pretends to be Wisdom incarnate, for whose oracle everyone inquires, we should constantly move round the same spot, without gaining a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

Thread: JAS:https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2017-02/msg00094.html JA:https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2017-02/msg00098.html JFS:https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2017-02/msg00100.html JA: As far as "predicate" and "proposition" go, usage varies promiscuously. Some

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

John, List: JFS: The third row (predicate, proposition, argument) is the *formal* triad. A predicate is a symbol of some relation. A proposition is a symbol that asserts the relation. But the third row does not apply only to symbols. What do we call an icon or index that Peirce further

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

: Stephen C. Rose To: Edwina Taborsky ; Peirce List Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective THat's a big issue but at least we're talking about it. I would siumply say that the binary

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

John, List: JFS: For teaching Peirce's semiotic, I therefore recommend that those five words should be replaced with terms that CSP himself used: mark, token, type; icon, index, symbol; predicate, proposition, argument. I have no problem with mark/token/type, but "predicate" and

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

From: "John F Sowa" <s...@bestweb.net> > To: <peirce-l@list.iupui.edu> > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2017 9:23 PM > Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" > from AI perspective > > > > On 2/8/2017 12:31 PM, Jerry L

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

nt: Thursday, February 09, 2017 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective On 2/8/2017 12:31 PM, Jerry LR Chandler wrote: The three triads of CSP, qualisign, sinsign, legisign; icon, index, symbol; rhema, dicisign,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

A distinction between real and anything is to me a binary notion which may be useful but is ultimately confusing. To say that everything is real is to say that reality is the whole kahuna of everything within which there is good and evil, falsity and truth, and so forth. I know that Peirce makes

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

This is a salient post. I think icon, index, symbol is the most useful of the nominated survivors though my own adaptation reality ethics aesthetics suits me as a sort of every-person triad for use in a daily discipline of conscious thinking which is what I have been working to put forward. I

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

On 2/8/2017 12:31 PM, Jerry LR Chandler wrote: The three triads of CSP, qualisign, sinsign, legisign; icon, index, symbol; rhema, dicisign, argument, can be, in my opinion, a “recipe” for realism; that is, the logical association of antecedent observations (Qualisigns with logical

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

* Jon Alan Schmidt <jonalanschm...@gmail.com> > *To:* Edwina Taborsky <tabor...@primus.ca> > *Cc:* Peirce List <peirce-l@list.iupui.edu> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 09, 2017 10:57 AM > *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" &

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

- Original Message - From: Jon Alan Schmidt To: Edwina Taborsky Cc: Peirce List Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2017 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective Edwina, List: CP 2.233-242 discusses triadic

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

gt; *To:* Edwina Taborsky <tabor...@primus.ca> > *Cc:* Peirce List <peirce-l@list.iupui.edu> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 09, 2017 10:05 AM > *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" > from AI perspective > > Edwin

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

Hi Jerry, Thanks for your comments, though I did not honestly understand what you were trying to tell me from the perspective of trans-disciplinarity. I'd like to better understand what this perspective means from your own perspective. I take ideas and

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective

List, Mike: Your essay is framed in the context of “AI” (computations), a very wide framework indeed! Nothing is excluded from AI is it? I will be only slightly more focal in responding to your call for comments. You write in your article: "Concepts attempt to embody ideas, and while it is