I agree with Ajit's sentiments. As a long-time active participant on
pen (one who has observed a number of cycles), the following occurred to me
in the context of this recent flurry of excitement over relevance
and esoteria:
Q: What does it take to turn a flock of lurking, anonymous and
In Message Mon, 11 Apr 1994 16:12:56 -0700,
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a recent missive in response to Ajit, Mike Lebowitz writes:
"insofar as abstract social labor and concrete labor are
equal in the aggregate..."
why this equality?
Jim,
Marx's comment in Ch.I,1 is as
China/Russia
This is a response to the exchange on Russian and Chinese development
initiated by Jim Devine and particularly directed toward the 4.12
intervention of Joseph Medley.
I share the essential premises, that China's economic performance and
attempted reform, particularly of the
Nathan Newman's "call to action" struck a cord with me. I spent the last
evening with my Rwandan graduate student who, after two sleepless nights
and no food, finally managed to have a meal between attempts to determine
what has become of his family in the capital of Rwanda where, with a pop-
Dennis - I'm a sociologist as well, and extremly interested in finding a
net where many others will want to discuss how to deal with the basic
changes in the nature of work and the availability of paid "jobs". If you
know of such a net(s), please tell me. Thanks! Sally Lerner
When I
This is a response to Nathan Newman's posting:
After having spent the last eight years researching, studying
and teaching in and about Yugoslavia and its constituent parts, I
find the kind of gut reaction of Nathan and others to the events in
Bosnia to be frustrating. I find it
I found Paul Phillips comments on Bosnia very thoughtprovoking and I would
like to hear more.
Steven Zahniser
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 12 Apr 1994, Jim Devine wrote:
But we should try to keep a diversified portfolio of pen-l
postings (sorry, I couldn't resist). From high theory to
current events, and back again! from the sublime to the
ridiculous!
Jim - which is the sublime, and which the ridiculous?
Doug
Doug
In a grandiose attempt to bridge theory and praxis, can I ask the
theorists if the LTV debate has any relevance to real politics - is it an
instance of clarifying analysis and strategy, or is discourse of the
angelic pindancing sort?
Doug
Doug Henwood [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Left Business
As someone also intersted in Yugoslavia (I lived in Slovenia during
the turbulent years 1989/90) I found Paul Phillips comments rather
misleading. While it is true that Germany, Austria and the Vatican
played a negative role in the dismemberment of Yugoslavia, the
United States and the EC have
On Wed, 13 Apr 1994 08:21:07 -0700 Doug Henwood said:
But we should try to keep a diversified portfolio of pen-l
postings (sorry, I couldn't resist). From high theory to
current events, and back again! from the sublime to the
ridiculous!
Jim - which is the sublime, and which the ridiculous?
When I see someone on the left advocating intervention in the
former Yugoslavia, I have to ask: "intervention by whom?"
The intervention that is currently going on is by the US/UN/NATO.
does the Left have any say in how this force is used? do the
people of the US have any say in how this force
On Wed, 13 Apr 1994 08:40:54 -0700 Doug Henwood said:
In a grandiose attempt to bridge theory and praxis, can I ask the
theorists if the LTV debate has any relevance to real politics - is it an
instance of clarifying analysis and strategy, or is discourse of the
angelic pindancing sort?
It
Thanks to Jim Devine for noting Mike Lebowitz' proposal of "equality"
between total abstract and concrete labour. Surely a mistake here?
You can't aggregate concrete labours in any socially meaningful sense
- that's why the concept of abstract labour is so important.
Hugo Radice.
On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, Jim Devine wrote:
When I see someone on the left advocating intervention in the
former Yugoslavia, I have to ask: "intervention by whom?"
The intervention that is currently going on is by the US/UN/NATO.
does the Left have any say in how this force is used? do the
Doug Henwood asks whether the LTV debate is relevant to political
strategy. Yes, I think so. Developing an effective strategy for
overthrowing capitalism in favour of democratic socialism - which I
take it we all want to do - requires us to understand as well as we
can the nature of
In the latest NATION, Jeff Faux (Economic Policy Institute) argues that
the recent tightening of federal reserve policies means that the Clinton eco-
nomic strategy is defunct. His basic argument is that Clinton traded in his
campaign promises for expanded public investment (and other
Sorry can't quote, but this is a response to Jim D. on Bosnia. In situations
like this I use a rule of thumb. Identify the group, i.e. the oppressed group
and support its demands rather than keep second guessing them. For example, If
ANC says that world should impose economic sanction on South
1) I would like to commend Michael Perelman for his effective
management of this fractious net, especially through a difficult
technical transition with apparently only minor scattered glitches.
I think we all owe him more thanks and appreciation than he has
been given.
2) I would like to
I note that the most dynamic sector in the Chinese economy
recently has been Town and Village Enterprises (TVE's) which
are technically owned by local units of government but which
behave in vigorously market-oriented ways. The old centralized
command sector utterly stagnant. The totally
Globe and Mail, April 12, 1994
Jobs Outlook
"In the 1950s, Canada's rate of unemploymnent averaged 4.2 per
cent, in the 1960s 5 per cent, in the 1970s 6.7 per cent, in the 1980s
9.3 per cent. So far in the 1990s it has been around 11 per cent.
Average unemployment for the European
Pen-l comrades,
I too am concerned about what is going on in Bosnia. I am not an expert on
international politics and don't claim to have a solution to the problem.
But, this whole situation brings to mind a bumper sticker quote:
"Why do we kill people who kill peeple to show that killing
Pen-ners: Please send comment, critique on the following. Sally Lerner
A CONSULTATION WORKSHOP ON
The Implications of Changes in the Nature of Work
for Approaches to
Education and Income Distribution in Canada
October 29-30, 1993
Kitchener, Ontario
SUMMARY REPORT
Sponsored by
Notes and references
1 See, for example, R. Hanna, Unemployment in the 1990's: the need for new
approaches to employment and unemployment - a discussion paper (Ottawa:
Employment and Immigration Canada, Planning Branch, June 22, 1993);
Economic Council of Canada, Good Jobs, Bad Jobs -
None of these responses can be considered adequate to deal with the
problems associated with long-term structural unemployment.14 In order to
reduce human suffering, avoid probable unpleasant socio-political
consequences, protect the environment and provide a new framework for all
people to
If you have no interest in Futurework, just delete these long messages. Sally
On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, Andrew Flood wrote:
Last year Croatia was the loser against Serbia and some called for the
left to support it. This year Croatia is attacking Bosnia. Apart from
anyhting else the reason why Bosnia is the victim of 90%+ of abuses
is because it is the weakest force.
Yes, Germany encouraged Croatia and Bosnia to secede prior
to assuring appropriately Serb and other minority rights. Also
there is a lot of ignorance about what is going on (and has gone
on) there (The Nazi puppet Ustasha regime in Croatia ran the worst
concentration camps in Europe, its
In Message Wed, 13 Apr 1994 05:18:15 -0700,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark selden) writes:
Finally, I believe that we are going to be forced to reconsider the widely
held view that what is emerging in China is "capitalism." I believe that
we are seeing the emergence of a distinctive Chinese form of
On Tue, 12 Apr 1994, Nathan Newman wrote:
Strong imperialists like Pat Buchanan and other right-wing fascists have
strenuously fought against intervention in support of the rise of
"ethnically clensed" states. I am quite comfortable taking the opposite
side from Pat Buchanan and
On Wed, 13 Apr 1994 13:18:32 -0700 Ajit Sinha said:
. . . Similarly, identify the oppressed group in
Bosnia and listen carefully what they are asking for. We should not always be
so arrogant to think that "we" know what is best for "them".
The US/UN/NATO doesn't follow this rule. Should we
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