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Subject: [PEN-L:9151] comparative unemployment rates
Can anyone out there direct me to a study of
how unemployment rates are defined and measured
across OECD countries? I'm wondering whether
America's "low" unemployment rates, given
the amount of
For the sake of not only my own ego-enlargement but also the
progress of pen-l debate, it's good to read Louis Proyect saying,
after simply repeating his previous points, that
Jim Devine is correct. Marx and Engels did respect what they
[the utopians] were doing since utopian publications,
I think Barkley is quite correct about the relative success of the
Slovenian economy. The unemployment rate peaked at 9.1 % (ILO
definition) in 1993 and had fallen to 7.4 % by 1995, well below the
German rate. GDP had recoved to about 97 % of the
pre-breakup maximum by 1995 and real wages stood
Paul Phillips:
Re the analysis of Yugoslavia outlined by Louis, it certainly doesn't
appear much like what I saw in Yugoslavia over the last 10 or so
years.
Louis: I have never visited Yugoslavia myself, although I have a suspicion
that Susan Woodward did. I wonder why you didn't respond to
LOUIS P: What I would no longer do is classify them as examples of
Marxist thought, which has its object the critique of capitalist
society in order to facilitate its destruction.
KARL: Your posting on Utopianism was interesting. However you seem to
take it for granted that marxism itself is
Hi Doug,
Before I give this out to my intro macro students, did you ever get
confirmation, or more info, about these questions?
Thanks. Hope you are well.
Blair
Each year about this time there is a discussion on the "lists" about
who won the "nobel" prize in econ., altho this year the
The escalation of violence by the state of Israel against the
Palestinian people, the closing of borders and other recent
measures clearly proves once again that the "no war - no peace"
situation imposed on the region does not favor the interests of
the Palestinian and other Arab peoples. Using
Max B. Sawicky wrote:
You don't know the half of it. Just watch your spelling.
A careless error might split the Fourth International.
You and your Pabloism of the Second Mobilization!
Doug
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Here are my notes on one of my favorite experimental studies. The
authors
usually work with rats, but here they changed their subject.
Battalio, Raymond C., John H. Kagel and Morgan O. Reynolds. 1977. "Income
Distribution in Two Experimental Economies." Journal of Political
Economy,
Louis P., you can go wherever you want to (and you
know I'm fully prepared to debate you in other fora
anyway), but I am not expecting coops to "sweep east" or
whatever. The issue is what kind of vision is held out for
a broader movement that seeks to transform the entire
country, and
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Unfortunately our e-mail has been down for the past couple of days
so I have not been able to respond to the Slovenia thread until now
at which point it has gone off in several directions. Let me begin
by quoting Branko Horvat in a private correspondence he sent me after
I had sent him a long
Paul,
Guess you don't know what a soft budget constraint is.
These enterprises to whom the loans were being made were
owned by the state. Thus, ultimately the state was
responsible and the enterprises knew it. They counted on
the state to prop them up with subsidies of one sort or
On Wed, 26 Mar 1997, Doug Henwood wrote:
I must have missed something. Who spat on Foucault, called him rubbish?
It wasn't you, Doug, it was somebody who responded to your post saying
something like, "Why bother reading Foucault?" I should save these
things before I post, I guess.
When speaking of Yugo as one of the 10 most debt distressed countries of the
debt crisis of the 80's and in the same boat as Lat. Am. - I hope it was
clear that I was focussing on the role of *external* debt and the
international debt crisis. Apologies if this wan't clear enough.
Thanks for your quick response, but it leaves me a bit perplexed.
The vast majority of Yugo's debt in the '80s was from commercial banks
making commercial loans to industrial enterprises (initially without
sovereign guarantee) - the same type loans made to Latin America and made
for the same
Very interesting. Does this mean that more manufacturing jobs are going
abroad and that service jobs are safer than manufacturing?
Certainly, it is not a growing interest in safety.
Richardson_D wrote:
BLS DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, MARCH 25, 1997
Workplace injuries fell in 1995 to their
From: "Rosser Jr, John Barkley" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:9168] Re: Slovenia
Actually, Louis P., the market socialism of the
Slovenian type is probably the kind of socialism that would
have the best chance . . .
As Slovenia goes, so goes Macedonia.
Sorry. I
At 09:40 AM 3/26/97 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re the analysis of Yugoslavia outlined by Louis, it certainly doesn't
appear much like what I saw in Yugoslavia over the last 10 or so
years. Ferfila and I give a much different interpretation in our
book *The Rise and Fall of the Third
I must have missed something. Who spat on Foucault, called him rubbish?
Tavis, your post was excellent; ACT-UP is an admirable organization. I had
a long chat with one of their drug experts a few years ago - though no MD,
he really got to know his stuff. Stanley Aronowitz should be so
Barkley:
Actually, Louis P., the market socialism of the
Slovenian type is probably the kind of socialism that would
have the best chance and greatest appeal in the US, for all
its flaws. The fact that we do have a movement, however
half-baked, toward workers' ownership and at least
An article by Vancouver commentator Murray Dobbin in the February
issue of Organize, published by the Canadian Union of Public
Employees, provides some information about the growing gap
between the rich and the poor in Canada.
Taking all taxes into account - income, sales, payroll,
property
Actually, Louis P., the market socialism of the
Slovenian type is probably the kind of socialism that would
have the best chance and greatest appeal in the US, for all
its flaws. The fact that we do have a movement, however
half-baked, toward workers' ownership and at least some
vague
KARL: Your posting on Utopianism was interesting. However you seem to
take it for granted that marxism itself is not another form of
utopianism
Part of the problem is terminology. Paul Phillips uses the word
interchangeably with "unrealistic". You use it as a synonym for irrelevant.
I am much
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LOUIS P: What I would no longer do is classify them as examples of
Marxist thought, which has its object the critique of capitalist
society in order to facilitate its destruction.
KARL: Your posting on Utopianism was interesting. However you seem to
take
I haven't read the LF article, but the one rather neat
thing that comes out of a lot of the experimental econ
stuff, is that people are not "rational" in the sense that
neoclassical economists usually assume. Of course this can
be restated as the "people behave according to their
In response to private correspondence, I should have added some other
categories:
progressive adacemics (tenured and non-tenured) who are isolated from
colleagues and access to big grants and publications in "prestigious
journals" as a result of the stands they have taken and who, for
their
Jim Devine:
I see nothing wrong with Robin's mention of his experience with
planning -- since, after all, it was more than relevant to answering
Louis' accusations.
Louis: The fact that Robin Hahnel spent some time at work in a Cuban agency
is completely besides the point. As is the fact that
Roger Alcaly (who used to be a leftist, I believe) has an article in the
most recent NEW YORK REVIEW OF BOOKS on the new wave in corporate
organization. Though it's got some interesting facts, it's pretty poor.
He's praising the phenomenon of (some) corporations giving more power or
privileges to
BLS DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, MARCH 25, 1997
Workplace injuries fell in 1995 to their lowest rate in nearly a
decade, says BLS, according to an item in The Wall Street Journal's
"Work Week" column (page A1). A total of 6.6 million injuries and
illnesses were reported that year, the latest
Friends,
Ellen Frank asked about comparative unemployment rates. Look at C. Sorrentino,
"International Comparison of Unemployment Indicators," Monthly Labor Review,
o.3, 1993, pp. 3-24.
Michael Yates
Friends,
I just read na article in "Lingua Franca" by Rick Perlstein (I think he is also
going to do an articel on Bowles and Gintis) on experimental economics. The
results of the experimentalists seem to me to be pretty thin. They appear to
show that how people behave depnds in large part
While I've got the opportunity, let me observe as a new subscriber,
that there sure is a lot of petty sniping that goes on here
masquerading as political criticism or analysis. My delete key is
starting to wear out.
You don't know the half of it. Just watch your spelling.
A careless
Can anyone out there direct me to a study of
how unemployment rates are defined and measured
across OECD countries? I'm wondering whether
America's "low" unemployment rates, given
the amount of un- and under-employment
they conceal, are really comparable with
European unemployment rates?
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