[PEN-L:9152] Re: comparative unemployment rates

1997-03-26 Thread Max B. Sawicky
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:9151] comparative unemployment rates Can anyone out there direct me to a study of how unemployment rates are defined and measured across OECD countries? I'm wondering whether America's "low" unemployment rates, given the amount of

[PEN-L:9157] utopianism -- final words??

1997-03-26 Thread James Devine
For the sake of not only my own ego-enlargement but also the progress of pen-l debate, it's good to read Louis Proyect saying, after simply repeating his previous points, that Jim Devine is correct. Marx and Engels did respect what they [the utopians] were doing since utopian publications,

[PEN-L:9158] Re: Slovenia

1997-03-26 Thread PHILLPS
I think Barkley is quite correct about the relative success of the Slovenian economy. The unemployment rate peaked at 9.1 % (ILO definition) in 1993 and had fallen to 7.4 % by 1995, well below the German rate. GDP had recoved to about 97 % of the pre-breakup maximum by 1995 and real wages stood

[PEN-L:9163] Re: Slovenia

1997-03-26 Thread Louis Proyect
Paul Phillips: Re the analysis of Yugoslavia outlined by Louis, it certainly doesn't appear much like what I saw in Yugoslavia over the last 10 or so years. Louis: I have never visited Yugoslavia myself, although I have a suspicion that Susan Woodward did. I wonder why you didn't respond to

[PEN-L:9165] Re: On utopianism

1997-03-26 Thread Karl Carlile
LOUIS P: What I would no longer do is classify them as examples of Marxist thought, which has its object the critique of capitalist society in order to facilitate its destruction. KARL: Your posting on Utopianism was interesting. However you seem to take it for granted that marxism itself is

[PEN-L:9166] Re: help on background on nobel prize in econ.

1997-03-26 Thread blairs
Hi Doug, Before I give this out to my intro macro students, did you ever get confirmation, or more info, about these questions? Thanks. Hope you are well. Blair Each year about this time there is a discussion on the "lists" about who won the "nobel" prize in econ., altho this year the

[PEN-L:9173] In The Middle East: No War - No Peace Is Detrimental To The

1997-03-26 Thread SHAWGI TELL
The escalation of violence by the state of Israel against the Palestinian people, the closing of borders and other recent measures clearly proves once again that the "no war - no peace" situation imposed on the region does not favor the interests of the Palestinian and other Arab peoples. Using

[PEN-L:9169] Re: customers or suckers?

1997-03-26 Thread Doug Henwood
Max B. Sawicky wrote: You don't know the half of it. Just watch your spelling. A careless error might split the Fourth International. You and your Pabloism of the Second Mobilization! Doug -- Doug Henwood Left Business Observer 250 W 85 St New York NY 10024-3217 USA +1-212-874-4020 voice

[PEN-L:9176] experimental madness

1997-03-26 Thread Michael Perelman
Here are my notes on one of my favorite experimental studies. The authors usually work with rats, but here they changed their subject. Battalio, Raymond C., John H. Kagel and Morgan O. Reynolds. 1977. "Income Distribution in Two Experimental Economies." Journal of Political Economy,

[PEN-L:9178] Re: Slovenia

1997-03-26 Thread Rosser Jr, John Barkley
Louis P., you can go wherever you want to (and you know I'm fully prepared to debate you in other fora anyway), but I am not expecting coops to "sweep east" or whatever. The issue is what kind of vision is held out for a broader movement that seeks to transform the entire country, and

[PEN-L:9185] Union for Rad PE Party in Wash DC for the EEAs

1997-03-26 Thread Susan E. Fleck
Union for Radical Political Economics Potluck Party for Easterns participants and URPE folks in the DC area at the home of URPE member and American University faculty Mieke Meurs Friday, April 4, 1997 7:00pm 3213 19th St., NW Washington, DC (202)234-4906 All URPE members, visitors at the

[PEN-L:9186] re:Slovenia

1997-03-26 Thread PHILLPS
Unfortunately our e-mail has been down for the past couple of days so I have not been able to respond to the Slovenia thread until now at which point it has gone off in several directions. Let me begin by quoting Branko Horvat in a private correspondence he sent me after I had sent him a long

[PEN-L:9184] Re: Slovenia/Yugolsavia

1997-03-26 Thread Rosser Jr, John Barkley
Paul, Guess you don't know what a soft budget constraint is. These enterprises to whom the loans were being made were owned by the state. Thus, ultimately the state was responsible and the enterprises knew it. They counted on the state to prop them up with subsidies of one sort or

[PEN-L:9183] Re: Foucault

1997-03-26 Thread Tavis Barr
On Wed, 26 Mar 1997, Doug Henwood wrote: I must have missed something. Who spat on Foucault, called him rubbish? It wasn't you, Doug, it was somebody who responded to your post saying something like, "Why bother reading Foucault?" I should save these things before I post, I guess.

[PEN-L:9182] Slovenia/Yugoslavia - a clarification

1997-03-26 Thread Paul Altesman
When speaking of Yugo as one of the 10 most debt distressed countries of the debt crisis of the 80's and in the same boat as Lat. Am. - I hope it was clear that I was focussing on the role of *external* debt and the international debt crisis. Apologies if this wan't clear enough.

[PEN-L:9181] Re: Slovenia/Yugolsavia

1997-03-26 Thread Paul Altesman
Thanks for your quick response, but it leaves me a bit perplexed. The vast majority of Yugo's debt in the '80s was from commercial banks making commercial loans to industrial enterprises (initially without sovereign guarantee) - the same type loans made to Latin America and made for the same

[PEN-L:9179] Re: FW: BLS Daily Report

1997-03-26 Thread Michael Perelman
Very interesting. Does this mean that more manufacturing jobs are going abroad and that service jobs are safer than manufacturing? Certainly, it is not a growing interest in safety. Richardson_D wrote: BLS DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, MARCH 25, 1997 Workplace injuries fell in 1995 to their

[PEN-L:9177] Re: Slovenia

1997-03-26 Thread Max B. Sawicky
From: "Rosser Jr, John Barkley" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:9168] Re: Slovenia Actually, Louis P., the market socialism of the Slovenian type is probably the kind of socialism that would have the best chance . . . As Slovenia goes, so goes Macedonia. Sorry. I

[PEN-L:9175] Re: Slovenia

1997-03-26 Thread Paul Altesman
At 09:40 AM 3/26/97 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Re the analysis of Yugoslavia outlined by Louis, it certainly doesn't appear much like what I saw in Yugoslavia over the last 10 or so years. Ferfila and I give a much different interpretation in our book *The Rise and Fall of the Third

[PEN-L:9174] Re: Foucault

1997-03-26 Thread Doug Henwood
I must have missed something. Who spat on Foucault, called him rubbish? Tavis, your post was excellent; ACT-UP is an admirable organization. I had a long chat with one of their drug experts a few years ago - though no MD, he really got to know his stuff. Stanley Aronowitz should be so

[PEN-L:9170] Re: Slovenia

1997-03-26 Thread Louis Proyect
Barkley: Actually, Louis P., the market socialism of the Slovenian type is probably the kind of socialism that would have the best chance and greatest appeal in the US, for all its flaws. The fact that we do have a movement, however half-baked, toward workers' ownership and at least

[PEN-L:9172] The Growing Gap Between The Rich And The Poor (Canada)

1997-03-26 Thread SHAWGI TELL
An article by Vancouver commentator Murray Dobbin in the February issue of Organize, published by the Canadian Union of Public Employees, provides some information about the growing gap between the rich and the poor in Canada. Taking all taxes into account - income, sales, payroll, property

[PEN-L:9168] Re: Slovenia

1997-03-26 Thread Rosser Jr, John Barkley
Actually, Louis P., the market socialism of the Slovenian type is probably the kind of socialism that would have the best chance and greatest appeal in the US, for all its flaws. The fact that we do have a movement, however half-baked, toward workers' ownership and at least some vague

[PEN-L:9167] Re: Final thoughts on utopianism

1997-03-26 Thread Louis Proyect
KARL: Your posting on Utopianism was interesting. However you seem to take it for granted that marxism itself is not another form of utopianism Part of the problem is terminology. Paul Phillips uses the word interchangeably with "unrealistic". You use it as a synonym for irrelevant. I am much

[PEN-L:9164] Re: Final thoughts on utopianism

1997-03-26 Thread Karl Carlile
EN:0 CS:1 RC:0 DC:1 UR:0 SS:0 EX:0 FL:0 LOUIS P: What I would no longer do is classify them as examples of Marxist thought, which has its object the critique of capitalist society in order to facilitate its destruction. KARL: Your posting on Utopianism was interesting. However you seem to take

[PEN-L:9162] Re: experimental economics, etc.

1997-03-26 Thread Rosser Jr, John Barkley
I haven't read the LF article, but the one rather neat thing that comes out of a lot of the experimental econ stuff, is that people are not "rational" in the sense that neoclassical economists usually assume. Of course this can be restated as the "people behave according to their

[PEN-L:9161] Addendum

1997-03-26 Thread James Michael Craven
In response to private correspondence, I should have added some other categories: progressive adacemics (tenured and non-tenured) who are isolated from colleagues and access to big grants and publications in "prestigious journals" as a result of the stands they have taken and who, for their

[PEN-L:9160] Re: utopianism -- final words??

1997-03-26 Thread Louis Proyect
Jim Devine: I see nothing wrong with Robin's mention of his experience with planning -- since, after all, it was more than relevant to answering Louis' accusations. Louis: The fact that Robin Hahnel spent some time at work in a Cuban agency is completely besides the point. As is the fact that

[PEN-L:9159] a new welfare capitalism

1997-03-26 Thread James Devine
Roger Alcaly (who used to be a leftist, I believe) has an article in the most recent NEW YORK REVIEW OF BOOKS on the new wave in corporate organization. Though it's got some interesting facts, it's pretty poor. He's praising the phenomenon of (some) corporations giving more power or privileges to

[PEN-L:9156] FW: BLS Daily Report

1997-03-26 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, MARCH 25, 1997 Workplace injuries fell in 1995 to their lowest rate in nearly a decade, says BLS, according to an item in The Wall Street Journal's "Work Week" column (page A1). A total of 6.6 million injuries and illnesses were reported that year, the latest

[PEN-L:9155] unemployment rates

1997-03-26 Thread MIKEY
Friends, Ellen Frank asked about comparative unemployment rates. Look at C. Sorrentino, "International Comparison of Unemployment Indicators," Monthly Labor Review, o.3, 1993, pp. 3-24. Michael Yates

[PEN-L:9154] experimental economics, etc.

1997-03-26 Thread MIKEY
Friends, I just read na article in "Lingua Franca" by Rick Perlstein (I think he is also going to do an articel on Bowles and Gintis) on experimental economics. The results of the experimentalists seem to me to be pretty thin. They appear to show that how people behave depnds in large part

[PEN-L:9153] Re: customers or suckers?

1997-03-26 Thread Max B. Sawicky
While I've got the opportunity, let me observe as a new subscriber, that there sure is a lot of petty sniping that goes on here masquerading as political criticism or analysis. My delete key is starting to wear out. You don't know the half of it. Just watch your spelling. A careless

[PEN-L:9151] comparative unemployment rates

1997-03-26 Thread T1EFRANK
Can anyone out there direct me to a study of how unemployment rates are defined and measured across OECD countries? I'm wondering whether America's "low" unemployment rates, given the amount of un- and under-employment they conceal, are really comparable with European unemployment rates?