[I wear the title proudly. :) ]
On Wed, 7 May 1997, D Shniad wrote:
Tavis:
My contention is that service markets aren't as globalizable as
manufacturing markets.
Sid:
I don't think this is anything more than a contention.
Allright, I'll use some data. It comes from a data set I'm
On Wed, 7 May 1997, Rosenberg, Bill wrote:
Isn't the point that workers in those industries are feeling these
encroachments at the margins? There may be lots of them working in
those industries still, but their bargaining power is determined by
the steady loss of jobs, and threat of
The flood of Cubans into Havana's Revolution Square began in
the earliest hours of May Day; by the time the rally officially
began, it was clear that the crowd has surpassed the record of
1.2 million who gathered for the May Day rally in 1996. Carrying
Cuban flags, banners denouncing the
On Thu, 8 May 1997, Wojtek Sokolowski wrote:
I presume similar arguments were tossed around when Frederick Winslow Taylor
started replacing skilled workers with "hacks" controlled through his
time-motion studies. The quality might have gone down then and may, as
well, go down now (for
Michael Eisenscher wrote:
Add a column showing total telecom employment; another showing %
unionization. It would make for a more interesting story.
Yes, interesting indeed, since it would probably require an explanation of
why the telecom wage premium has increased as union density has
At 07:56 AM 5/8/97 -0700, you wrote:
My understanding of the Indian software industry is different from that
which Louis expressed. I was under the impression for large projects with
a modular structure, that the Indians were actually superior -- so long as
the jobs were well defined. I have
Speaking of computers, Jim O'Connor suggested to me recently, citing the
work of the late Rick Gordon of UC-Santa Cruz, that the reason that
computers have not had the much hyped productivity payoff is that the
social organization of U.S. workplaces is still very
competitive-individualist, while
June, Chase has not responded. Would it be difficult to xerox the
relevant part for me. I would like to use it in a paper I am preparing.
Thanks.
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Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 916-898-5321
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Bill Lear:
Also, I believe that the degree of complexity of large projects was
simply misunderstood. Getting a small team to work together is
do-able, but the costs just don't scale very well.
Last night's TV news had an item about the "scandal" surrounding cost
overruns and delays on
On the virtual U: The new emerging model of a university is many bucks on
high tech with the funds made available by depending on a casual teaching
force.
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Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 916-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
William S. Lear wrote:
He's overthinking. I've worked as a professional "software engineer"
for over a dozen years, and am currently working on "cutting edge"
stuff (OO and Internet).
I think he was talking about the uses of computers in the workplace, not
the creation of software.
Doug
"EXPORTING APARTHEID" TO SUB-SAHARAN AFRICA
by
Michel Chossudovsky
Professor of Economics, University of Ottawa, author of The Globalization
of Poverty: Impacts of IMF and World Bank Reforms, Third World Network,
Penang and Zed Press, London, 1997. Copyright by Michel
On Thu, May 8, 1997 at 11:02:36 (-0700) Louis Proyect writes:
This is the sort of systems development projects that I have been working
on for 28 years and they present a completely different set of problems
than creating shrink-wrapped software like a word-processor. The
difficulties cut to the
I have almost ten years of experience developing computer programs for
large national and foreign companies here in Mexico; we use computers,
database development systems, and languages that are the same those
used by any programmer and system analyst in any country, so I think
that part of the
Anthony P. D'Costa
Associate Professor Senior Fellow
Comparative International Development Department of Economics
University of WashingtonNational University of Singapore
1103 A Street 10 Kent Ridge Crescent
Tacoma, WA 98402 USA
I have some difficulty with Wojteck's association of feudal
labour relations with labour abundance. I have always
associated feudal (and other forms of 'unfree' labour) with
labour shortage. to be blunt, the ruling class imposes
'unfree' labour bondage because 'free' labour is too
expensive.
Anthony P. D'Costa
Associate Professor Senior Fellow
Comparative International Development Department of Economics
University of WashingtonNational University of Singapore
1103 A Street 10 Kent Ridge Crescent
Tacoma, WA 98402 USA
Laurie Dougherty wrote:
I'm not trying to be mean here. But this thread is really pushing my buttons
and I'm tired of feeling told to shut up because I don't have all my
coefficients in perfect order.
No one told you to shut up because of disordered coefficients. In fact, no
one has told you
On Thu, May 8, 1997 at 14:06:08 (-0700) Max B. Sawicky writes:
Europe, of course, is also a convenient way of getting these countries
off the hook and allowing them to move democracy one step further away from
the people, in hopes of getting a government more like ours, in which the
people
Some of us do have direct knowledge of some of what is going on. Why should we
dance with shadows? I know what I've seen. I know it's not the whole of
reality, but I have made strenuous efforts to learn and understand more about
what is out there.
Every time I post something to pen-l about
Eric,
How are things going? - my usual lame greeting however blitzed
out by 500 e-mails not too bad.
I would be interested in reviewing:
Comar, Edward A., ed. THE GLOBAL POLITICAL ECONOMY OF COMMUNICATION: .
Thanks,
Ron
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From: Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:9975] Europe
My favorite right-wing columnist, Christopher Caldwell of the New York
Press, wrote this . . .
"This is the point, although Americans are reluctant to recognize it, of
Bill Lear:
I suggest those interested in this should take a look at what the Free
Software Foundation has done. Coincidentally, our shop (Dejanews) is
almost 100% run on "free" software (Linux operating system, FSF/GNU
tools, etc.). The amount of sharing of ideas across firms is probably
I suggest those interested in this should take a look at what the Free
Software Foundation has done. Coincidentally, our shop (Dejanews) is
almost 100% run on "free" software (Linux operating system, FSF/GNU
tools, etc.). The amount of sharing of ideas across firms is probably
quite low, but
Responding to Doug's response to me from a couple of days ago, copied below:
ÐChintzy is an interesting way to put , Doug, useful though. Looking at
the US in the post war period, it was kind of chintzy. © Levittown, malls and
suburban sprawl. A June and Ward, and Wally and the Beave veneer
On Thu, May 8, 1997 at 11:46:34 (-0700) Doug Henwood writes:
William S. Lear wrote:
He's overthinking. I've worked as a professional "software engineer"
for over a dozen years, and am currently working on "cutting edge"
stuff (OO and Internet).
I think he was talking about the uses of
My favorite right-wing columnist, Christopher Caldwell of the New York
Press, wrote this in the May 7-13 issue. Caldwell's day job is as a
writer/editor at the Weekly Standard, a right-wing rag owned by Rupert
Murdoch and edited by WIlliam Kristol, Irving's son.
"This is the point, although
Awhile back, wojtek sokolowski said that it is better to analyse social
institutions (e.g. how the production is being organised in the developing
countries) rather than watching trends in economic aggregates which,
paraphrasin Plato, are but shadows cast on the wall of a cave populated by
Tavis,
I referred to Virtual U merely to point out that there are serious, well
funded efforts to apply computerization to damned near every field.
While I am not suggesting that the attempt to computerize higher
education will necessarily succeed, I think it would be a major error to
assume
Harold Salzman in Software by Design talks about the constraints on efficiency
imposed by things like personal style, institutional culture in software
design. Paul Osterman, looking at the uses of automation, found that work
reorganization (in the direction of participation, teamwork, etc.) was
Ron Baiman:
Louis,
Yes, Ehrenreich is an Honorary Chair of DSA and quite active -
recently she spoke at the DSA youth conference in Columbus Ohio.
You can smear DSA's "pretty good name" as much as you'd like too
- we can take it - isn't that what "democratic" socialism is all
Techie types are very well organized, just not in unions. They are all over
the net with vehicles for skills transfer and job hunting. WE need to find
ways to tap into what is out there instead of trying to force everyone into
some mythic model of the CIO working in the Fordist factory under a
I am co-teaching a 32 credit program at the Evergreen State College for
sophomores and up in the fall and winter and am trying to get my book list
together. The program is in political economy, defined broadly--much more
than radical economics. Anyway, I am looking for a really good book
(books)
On Thu, May 8, 1997 at 09:32:55 (-0700) Doug Henwood writes:
Speaking of computers, Jim O'Connor suggested to me recently, citing the
work of the late Rick Gordon of UC-Santa Cruz, that the reason that
computers have not had the much hyped productivity payoff is that the
social organization of
Louis,
Yes, Ehrenreich is an Honorary Chair of DSA and quite active -
recently she spoke at the DSA youth conference in Columbus Ohio.
You can smear DSA's "pretty good name" as much as you'd like too
- we can take it - isn't that what "democratic" socialism is all about!
--
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At 08:43 AM 5/8/97 -0700, you wrote:
Louis: One of the things that is so interesting about the software
industry is that it has resisted the deskilling process that Stanley
Aronowitz and William DeFazio wrote about in "The Jobless Future". I have
seen efforts to mechanize and Taylorize the
We economists tend to make extravagent claims when we discuss our
vision. All work is (is not) being globalized. Would we not do better
to take a step back and follow the old master of dialectics to look for
the forces that make for globalization and those that impede it?
I think that some of
If I may be so bold as to intervene in this discussion --
1. To demonstrate a significant shift it should not be necessary to prove
that virtually all, or nearly all work in a category has been "globalized."
2. It might be helpful to distinguish between personal and businesses services.
3.
I was not arguing that efforts to export projects to India have been
unsuccessful. I was instead stating that there is a lot of hype about
disappearing American jobs in the field.
Louis
On Thu, 8 May 1997, Michael Perelman wrote:
My understanding of the Indian software industry is different
Louis notes: My experience, by the way, is that American corporations
have shot themselves in the foot with a lot of the downsizing ...
This is something that a lot of the business press has been saying, even
outside of EDP. But downsizing has been pushed onto corporations by (1)
creditors and
At 07:32 AM 5/8/97 -0700, Louis Proyect wrote:
The notion that programming jobs are being exported to India is something
that people in my field discuss often. Not only is this a constant worry,
there is also the worry that computer programmers from India will be
imported into the United States.
My understanding of the Indian software industry is different from that
which Louis expressed. I was under the impression for large projects with
a modular structure, that the Indians were actually superior -- so long as
the jobs were well defined. I have also been reading about the lack of a
An editorial in Rodong Sinmun, the organ of the Workers'
Party of Korea, salutes the working class of all lands who have
"faithfully upheld the revolutionary banner of the class in its
protracted and rigorous struggle." The editorial further states:
"The workers of all countries have
Sid Schniad:
But the key thing is that a great of this work is computer-based and doesn't
involve speaking at all. The maquila-based postal sorting (by Spanish-
speaking workers sorting mail that's located in Chicago) is prototypical of
what I'm describing. By the same token, remote trouble
BLS DAILY REPORT, WEDNESDAY, MAY 7, 1997
RELEASED TODAY: Preliminary seasonally-adjusted annual rates of
productivity change in the first quarter were: 2.1 percent in the
business sector and 2.0 percent in the nonfarm business sector. In
both sectors, first-quarter productivity gains were
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