[PEN-L:12366] Re: language thought

1997-09-16 Thread Ajit Sinha
At 16:51 12/09/97 -0700, Jim D. wrote: Ricardo Duchesne writes that: Language is neither the determinant or a major determinant of thinking; these two are simply inseparable. It depends on your definitions, doesn't it? If we define "thinking" as mental processes that occur within an

[PEN-L:12368] re: slurs

1997-09-16 Thread Colin Danby
Tom Walker writes: This is precisely the point at which identity politics swallows its own tail. Mapping differences (race, culture, gender) onto static positions of victim and victimizer makes *less* sense than fitting all of humanity into two great economic classes, owners and non-owners of

[PEN-L:12369] On Bill Lear's Website offer

1997-09-16 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, September 11, 1997 at 12:29:14 (-0700) michael perelman writes: Bill Lear said that he would help to set up a pen-l web site. Earlier Bill L had said: Perhaps now would be a good time to get everyone's opinion on what they'd like to have for the web site. I thought it would be

[PEN-L:12372] 1997-09-12 Abraham Nom inated Bureau/Labor Statistics Comm

1997-09-16 Thread jf noonan
Does anyone know if this is good, bad, or indifferent? Has she commented on the push to change the CPI? -- Joseph Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded message -- SEND COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS INFORMATION TO The White House at [EMAIL PROTECTED] (This

[PEN-L:12373] Re: NAFTA

1997-09-16 Thread Max B. Sawicky
Bill B said: I agree with this, but I disagree you can "point to larger solutions" by blaming job losses on NAFTA in a way that is virtually indistinguishable from Perot et all. I'm not suggesting maximum program everywhere, all the The focal point of left opposition to trade liberalization

[PEN-L:12377] Re: 1997-09-12 Abraham Nom inated Bureau/Labor

1997-09-16 Thread Doug Henwood
jf noonan wrote: Does anyone know if this is good, bad, or indifferent? Has she commented on the push to change the CPI? I think Abraham has been pretty firm on the CPI issue, showing a spirit for which bureaucrats aren't known. My impression is that she's exactly what you want in an official

[PEN-L:12376] Prisoner to Prisoner (From The New York Times, 8/19/97)

1997-09-16 Thread Robert Naiman
From The New York Times, 8/19/97 "Prisoner to Prisoner" [Imad Sabi, a 35-year-old Palestinian, has been detained in Israeli prisons for 20 months, one of more than 350 Palestinians being held in "administrative detention" by Israel without being charged. He is suspected of political activity

[PEN-L:12382] Re: language-t

1997-09-16 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Devine wonders what's "liberal" about defining thinking as a process that occurs within the brain of individuals. Simply, this definition is in line with the rational-choice model which conceives of thinking as a monologue of a subject about an object. I don't question that we all have our

[PEN-L:12385] Further report on ILWU action for Liverpool (fwd)

1997-09-16 Thread Sid Shniad
There was absolutely no coverage of this story in the Vancouver press! To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ILWU closes down West Coast ports for Liverpool by Steve Stallone, Editor, The Dispatcher, the ILWU newspaper ILWU longshore workers shut down all ports along the North American West Coast from

[PEN-L:12384] Re: 1997-09-12 Abraham Nom inated Bureau/Labor Statistics Comm

1997-09-16 Thread William S. Lear
On Tue, September 16, 1997 at 07:35:13 (-0700) jf noonan writes: Does anyone know if this is good, bad, or indifferent? Has she commented on the push to change the CPI? You can find a copy of her testimony before the Senate Budget Committee on January 30, 1997 at

[PEN-L:12388] Re: Prisoner to Prisoner

1997-09-16 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
One would have to be a stone to remain unmoved by this news account. Alas, the sentiments expressed can't have much effect in the context of the massive retrograde forces at work there, nor could their author, one Imad Sabi, be sufficiently representative to make much difference. The fact of his

[PEN-L:12386] language-thought

1997-09-16 Thread James Devine
Ricardo Duchesne writes: Devine wonders what's "liberal" about defining thinking as a process that occurs within the brain of individuals. Simply, this definition is in line with the rational-choice model which conceives of thinking as a monologue of a subject about an object. My definition of

[PEN-L:12392] Re: Affluenza

1997-09-16 Thread MIKEY
Friends, I want to support Louis's comments on the AFFLUENZA program. It was, to my wife and I, pretty superficial. Plus, a lot of attention was given to rightwing religius nuts from Colorado Springs who are preaching less consumerism and more god and family. Also, thow yung women in the

[PEN-L:12393] Re: 1997-09-12 Abraham Nom inated Bureau/Labor Sta

1997-09-16 Thread MIKEY
Friends, let me second Max's note on commissioner Abraham. michael yates

[PEN-L:12398] Re: Further report on ILWU action for Liverpool (fwd)

1997-09-16 Thread MScoleman
In a message dated 97-09-16 16:31:39 EDT, you write: "Our members should take great pride in having the consciousness to see past our own narrow jurisdiction and realize that only through solidarity with our brothers and sisters around the globe will we be able to secure our future and

[PEN-L:12400] Re: Affluenza

1997-09-16 Thread Thad Williamson
AAlso, thow yung women in the wshow, high school students, were praised for rallying around anti-consumerism, after a visit to Mexico. The poor Mexicans were poor but they were so gracious and seemed happy. Well, how they would know that the poor Mexicans were happy is a mystery the show

[PEN-L:12399] Re: the beautiful poor

1997-09-16 Thread William S. Lear
On Tue, September 16, 1997 at 18:41:16 (-0700) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 97-09-16 06:08:05 EDT, [Bill Lear] write[s]: What about in Central America? How did the Jesuits relate to the Catholic hierarchy, and to the women and the poor there? In case you forgot, the original

[PEN-L:12397] Re: the beautiful poor

1997-09-16 Thread MScoleman
In a message dated 97-09-16 06:08:05 EDT, you write: What about in Central America? How did the Jesuits relate to the Catholic hierarchy, and to the women and the poor there? Bill In case you forgot, the original topic was statements made by the nun replacing Sister Teresa in India. If

[PEN-L:12396] Re: On the other hand ...

1997-09-16 Thread MScoleman
In a message dated 97-09-16 05:17:35 EDT, you write: "This is clearly one of the biggest news events of the century, yet it's almost as if the death of Diana is an event of no demonstrable significance." Dear Sid; I respectfully disagree. The over reporting and cannonization of Di has led

[PEN-L:12395] Re: slurs

1997-09-16 Thread MScoleman
In a message dated 97-09-16 03:51:58 EDT, Tom Walker writes: 3. All resolutions of the 1969 Conventions of the Students for a Democratic Society are to be published in Durruti. It is our conviction that these resolutions will be at least, if not more, meaningful to the workers in Durruti

[PEN-L:12394] Re: Thai Bubbles

1997-09-16 Thread MScoleman
In a message dated 97-09-16 03:23:25 EDT, Barney Hope writes: The real question in Thailand is whether they can can establish a stable economy and deal with all of the problems of underdevelopment. If we have a collapse in the US maybe some will ask the same question. I found your travel log

[PEN-L:12391] Re: Prisoner to Prisoner

1997-09-16 Thread Sid Shniad
I missed this item. Can the original sender send it to me directly? Thanks. Sid Shniad

[PEN-L:12390] FW: BLS Daily Report

1997-09-16 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 16, 1997 RELEASED TODAY: CPI -- On a seasonally adjusted basis, the CPI-U rose 0.2 percent in August, the same as in July. The food index increased 0.4 percent in August. Grocery store food prices, which rose 0.3 percent in July, increased 0.6 percent in

[PEN-L:12389] Re: Affluenza

1997-09-16 Thread Stephen E Philion
On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: At 07:34 AM 9/16/97 -0700, Louis Proyect wrote, inter alia: The show tip-toed around the all important question of the capitalist system. It made the need to reverse environmental degradation, consumerism, etc. a personal choice rather than a

[PEN-L:12387] Re: Affluenza

1997-09-16 Thread William S. Lear
On Tue, September 16, 1997 at 12:38:36 (-0700) Wojtek Sokolowski writes: At 07:34 AM 9/16/97 -0700, Louis Proyect wrote, inter alia: The problem with Affluenza is that it depicts an escape from the consumer treadmill *within* capitalism. Playing a devil's advocate: How exactly are the

[PEN-L:12383] Re: Affluenza

1997-09-16 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 07:34 AM 9/16/97 -0700, Louis Proyect wrote, inter alia: The show tip-toed around the all important question of the capitalist system. It made the need to reverse environmental degradation, consumerism, etc. a personal choice rather than a *political* question. The show evoked themes found in

[PEN-L:12381] slurs

1997-09-16 Thread James Devine
In response to my sermonette, Ajit Sinha writes: I'm sorry I don't understand what this is all about. Sounds more like Jorge Bush and Denesh DeSuza led attack on "pc" even though "pc" was their own creation and not Duke University's. Ajit, I know you reject politeness as "middle class," but I

[PEN-L:12380] Re: the beautiful poor

1997-09-16 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
I think Maggie Coleman is quite right that one can offer a critique of non-Western cultural practices (i.e dowry, widow burning) without being a cultural chauvinist. The real dilemma here is to what values does one appeal in conducting such a critique? It seems to me that one must appeal to

[PEN-L:12379] FW: BLS Daily Report

1997-09-16 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 1997 Seven consecutive monthly decreases in wholesale prices, the longest such string since the government began tracking these costs in 1947, finally come to an end. Rising energy costs in August boosted the PPI for Finished Goods by a seasonally

[PEN-L:12378] Re: Affluenza

1997-09-16 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis N Proyect wrote: The show tip-toed around the all important question of the capitalist system. It made the need to reverse environmental degradation, consumerism, etc. a personal choice rather than a *political* question. The show evoked themes found in UTNE reader and in Deep Ecology

[PEN-L:12375] Re: 1997-09-12 Abraham Nom inated Bureau/Labor Sta

1997-09-16 Thread Max B. Sawicky
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 07:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: jf noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:Multiple recipients of list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:12372] 1997-09-12 Abraham Nom inated Bureau/Labor Statistics Comm Does

[PEN-L:12374] Re: NAFTA

1997-09-16 Thread Interhemispheric Resouce Center
>Where's the "good reason" to oppose NAFTA, etc.? Ok- seems like we should refocus on this question, especially since fast track legislation is going to be introduced today. Lori Wallach of Public Citizen released a memo on Sept. 9th that discusses some of the reasons to oppose *this* fast

[PEN-L:12370] Affluenza

1997-09-16 Thread Louis N Proyect
On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Thad Williamson wrote: PBS carried a one-hour, Pew Trust sponsored program called "Affluenza" tonight about American consumerism. The first 45 minutes were quite good though the last part on responses focussed solely on individualist strategies for dropping off the

[PEN-L:12371] Re: Slurs

1997-09-16 Thread Richardson_D
-- From: Ajit Sinha[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 6:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject:[PEN-L:12367] Re: Slurs 2. Confusion is the defining characteristic of the human condition. Therefore we can never be insulted since any

[PEN-L:12367] Re: Slurs

1997-09-16 Thread Ajit Sinha
At 11:33 12/09/97 -0700, you wrote: I am a Buddhist, perhaps the only one on this list. While I thought that the punch line was a little strange, it was not clear how to respond to it. I choose now to resolve this with a few facts. 1. Compassion is the essential element of human relations.

[PEN-L:12365] Re: Desperately Seeking Disciples

1997-09-16 Thread Terrence Mc Donough
Tom Walker writes Hint: my stature, bearing and and facial characteristics are those of a commedia dell'arte Scaramouche Words and music still by Tom Walker/ Scaramouche? Scaramouche? Can you do the fandango? Freddie McDonough

[PEN-L:12364] Re: slurs

1997-09-16 Thread Tom Walker
Ajit wrote, But it is the victimizers who need sense of humour and not the victims, in any given particular situation. Both you and Michael Perlman seem to be asking the victims to have sense of humour, which is a bit troublesome. This is precisely the point at which identity politics swallows