Re: Labor Movement Growth & Decline

1998-04-01 Thread Dennis R Redmond
On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Michael Eisenscher wrote: > There is only one way this can be achieved: by involving millions of union > members directly in reaching out to unorganized workers (starting with > members of their own families) and involving them fully in a massive > campaign to revitalize the l

Re: Peruvian Maoism

1998-04-01 Thread Thomas Kruse
Louis wrote: >We should not sweep these [human rights] issues under the rug, but neither should we >neglect the Maoist analysis of the Peruvian class struggle. Since these >ideas have won the allegiance of massive numbers of the most exploited and >oppressed peoples on the continent, they are cer

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1998-04-01 Thread Mike Yates
Friends, There is a book reviewed in the 12/97 "Monthly Review" by Bruce Cumings. The book is writtne by Maurice Meisner and is titled "The Deng Xiaoping Era: An Inquiry into the Fate of Chinese Socialism." Cumings gives it a rave review. Has anyone on the list read it? It sounds like it has

Slavery in Guatemala

1998-04-01 Thread Louis Proyect
One of the most popular postcards on sale to tourists in Guatemala City depicts three fair-skinned Guatemalan women picking coffee, dressed in brilliant and spotless indigenous costumes. The colour of their lipstick neatly matches the bright red of the coffee berries. The back of the card reads ‘i

Re: means/ends

1998-04-01 Thread James Michael Craven
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Re: Russia

1998-04-01 Thread Doug Henwood
Mark Jones wrote: >I presume the official concerned did not attempt to consult the 3 million men >aged between 23-45 who according to official Russians stats (cited on JRL) >died *in excess of * the demographic trendline since 1991. This calamity, the >worst ever in Russian peace time history,com

Re: Russia

1998-04-01 Thread Mike Yates
Friends, The Russian people are in a healp of trouble. Most are certainly worse off than they were in 1980. What rich country has seen such a large decline in life expectancies. And AIDs is skyrocketing. Not to mention the massive theft of the people's property and starving pensioners and war

Re: Unions

1998-04-01 Thread Mike Yates
Friends, Yes I have been a teacher for a long time, much too long actually. And yes I have criticized the labor unions. But I tried to organize ourfaculty when I was an untenured 24 year old instructor. I helped the janitors and maintenance workers form their union and I have supported them an

The House That Jack Built (Part 2 of 2)

1998-04-01 Thread Michael Eisenscher
http://www.thenation.com/issue/961125/1125fitc.htm The Nation - Labor Pain - 11/25/96 Labor Pain By Robert Fitch [Review] America Needs a Raise By John J. Sweeney. Houghton Mifflin. 167 pp. $18.95. This year, quite suddenly, after nearly half a century of dormancy, the classic anti-Establishmen

The House That Jack Built (Part 1 of 2)

1998-04-01 Thread Michael Eisenscher
At 09:33 AM 4/1/98 EST, MScoleman wrote: >My next door neighbor is a union organizer for 32B/32J national -- which for >the uninitiated is the union that "made" John Sweeny and carried him to win >the election of the AFL/CIO. Oh, did I mention that my neighbor is African >American, male, and way

Labor Movement Growth & Decline

1998-04-01 Thread Michael Eisenscher
I have not had time yet to read the Cooper article, but when the AFL-CIO claims 400,000 newly organized workers, my guess is that includes affiliations and mergers of previously organized independent unions and associations (something common especially in the public sector). That's called "organi

Re: UK foreign assets

1998-04-01 Thread boddhisatva
C. Doug, Okay, but Britain is now the #2 equities market, and not only because the nikkei has fallen. peace

CNA Settlement at Kaiser; Job Opportunity in Labor Movement;Profit Rates Soar (EPI)

1998-04-01 Thread Michael Eisenscher
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:23:40 -0700 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Bacon) Subject: kaiser article NURSES WIN TWO-YEAR BATTLE WITH KAISER By David Bacon OAKLAND, CA (3/30/98) -- Ending over a year of strikes and conflict, California nurses signed a new co

Re: means/ends

1998-04-01 Thread James Devine
Jim Craven writes: >Perhaps it just depends. Some ends justify some very extreme means >because of what is at stake. For example, for the Jew of the Warsaw >Ghetto, it is simp[ly kill or be killed and anyone who advocates "non- >violent" resistance is aiding and abetting the murdering of the na

Re: Russia

1998-04-01 Thread Doug Henwood
Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote: > One piece of evidence is that consumption stats on >such things as electricity have not fallen nearly as much >as official income stats. One point, a lot more of the >economy is now underground unreported income for a variety >of reasons. Things are a lot wo

Re: Russia

1998-04-01 Thread Rosser Jr, John Barkley
One piece of evidence is that consumption stats on such things as electricity have not fallen nearly as much as official income stats. One point, a lot more of the economy is now underground unreported income for a variety of reasons. Things are a lot worse than they were in the countr

Re: Russia

1998-04-01 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 03:57 PM 4/1/98 -0500, you wrote: >I was just told by a U.S. government official that claims of a 50% decline >in Russian incomes during this decade are based on flawed stats, and that >few Russians would claim that they're worse off now than in 1990. > >This strikes me as preposterous, but doe

Re: Peruvian Maoism

1998-04-01 Thread Louis Proyect
Brian Green: >I don't know where you get this assumption from...I have never supported >Garcia, APRA, nor any other of the Peruvian liberal political projects, nor >do I intend to heap praise on them or their followers now. But neither will >I overlook power-hunger and brutality on the left...Sor

Request for information

1998-04-01 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
A friend of mine is looking for the information about actual (NOT perceived) dangers of sexual predators on the Internet. Her requests is attached below. Any suggestions? Wojtek Sokolowski > >I have to write an article on protecting children from >Internet predators. My personal opinion is tha

Z Magazine

1998-04-01 Thread Louis Proyect
As Barkley mentioned, I am no longer a flame-thrower. But I have been sorely tempted. You may recall how miffed I was a few months ago when I submitted an article on African music to Z Magazine and never got a response. When I told a friend of mine who has a rather high profile in the academic lef

Re: Soviet balance sheet

1998-04-01 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
> Date sent: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 12:58:19 -0500 > Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: Wojtek Sokolowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject:Re: Soviet balance sheet > I have no problems in factoring in ethics into historical accounts -

Means/Ends II

1998-04-01 Thread James Michael Craven
Many years ago, I had a friend we can call "Pocho" who was an engineering student in Chile when the Allende Government was overthrown. His wife, was the Director of a Cultural Center in Santiago and Pocho was only marginally involved in politics but when when he and others were attacked at a c

re:state-war

1998-04-01 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
> Date sent: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:38:33 -0800 > Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: James Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject:re:state-war > Ricardo D writes: > >... a key contending issue here - including the war issue - is: who

Russia

1998-04-01 Thread Doug Henwood
I was just told by a U.S. government official that claims of a 50% decline in Russian incomes during this decade are based on flawed stats, and that few Russians would claim that they're worse off now than in 1990. This strikes me as preposterous, but does anyone have some data to back up my skep

Re: Soviet balance sheet

1998-04-01 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 04:12 PM 4/1/98 -0400, Ricardo Duchesne wrote: >You are using some sort of ethical standard to judge the West which >you refuse to use against Stalin. Au contraire, I insist on using the same and comparable standards. If we were to judge leaders' crimes, say, per years in office and per p

Re: Kosovo

1998-04-01 Thread Rosser Jr, John Barkley
Paul, Pretty impressive. I must say that I remain curious as to who PRECISELY was behind this appalling move. I know that there were people in the State Department who did not support this. "Big business" sounds impressive, but WHICH big business or organization of big business. Which

Re: Russia

1998-04-01 Thread valis
Quoth Doug: > I was just told by a U.S. government official that claims of a 50% decline > in Russian incomes during this decade are based on flawed stats, and that > few Russians would claim that they're worse off now than in 1990. > > This strikes me as preposterous, but does anyone have some

Re: means/ends

1998-04-01 Thread James Michael Craven
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Re: Peruvian Maoism

1998-04-01 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 10:07 PM 3/31/98 -0500, Michael Yates wrote: >Friends, > >It is one thing to discuss the Sendero Luminoso movement in Peru and to try to get >through all of the propaganda put out about it. It is also one thing to understand >that people ravaged by brutal repression will often react vioently w

Unions

1998-04-01 Thread Dennis R Redmond
On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, MScoleman wrote: > Finally, as a leftist I get sick and tired of lefties knocking the goals of > unions and unions leaders who are at least trying to change -- or not > differentiating between unions trying to change and those maintaining the > status quo. No boys, the afl/ci

Re: Request for information

1998-04-01 Thread James Michael Craven
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Cornell Professor Fights a Slander Suit

1998-04-01 Thread Thomas Kruse
Cornell Professor Fights a Slander Suit New York Times April 1, 1998 By STEVEN GREENHOUSE An an unusual case pitting a claim of defamation against defense of academic freedom, a labor relations professor at Cornell University is being sued for slander by the nation's largest nursing home company

means/ends

1998-04-01 Thread James Devine
Louis Proyect writes: >Furthermore, I can understand why you don't think the ends justifies the means. This is a philosophical and moral position that many decent people share, including the political science teachers I had as an undergraduate.< The fact that this comes from poli sci profs should

Re: Soviet balance sheet

1998-04-01 Thread Dennis R Redmond
On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Mark Jones wrote: > I hate to quibble, but the forges of Chelyabinsk (not > Magnitogorsk) did not start churning out T-72s until at least the > 1970s. Oops. My mistake. I should've said that the area around Magnitogorsk was an important source of the iron ore which got turned

Peruvian Maoism

1998-04-01 Thread Rosser Jr, John Barkley
Brian, Apparently you haven't been on this list terribly long. In fact Louis Proyect's behavior has drastically improved over the last year or so. He used to one of the biggest and worst flamers on the internet, but has morphed (almost completely) into a model of reasoned discourse and

Re: Peruvian Maoism

1998-04-01 Thread Louis Proyect
Brian Green: >Next time, read a post and consider what it >actually says before assuming that everyone besides you is a >counter-revolutionary in hiding I didn't find your post very useful at all. It simply recycled the same old charges against the Shining Path. I myself have made them against Se

Kosovo

1998-04-01 Thread PHILLPS
Barkley, While looking for something completely different, I came across the source on the 1990 US law. Not unexpectedly, my memory was false and it was not the source I expected. Here I will quote it in full. It is Sara Founders, "Bosnia Tragedy", International Action Centre (founded by Ramse

Re: Kosovo

1998-04-01 Thread Rosser Jr, John Barkley
Paul, Will be curious to see what you find out. If what it was was some formerly classified effort, then that would not be showing up in an official foreign aid bill in late 1990, or probably not, anyway. Obviously this Sendic individual is all wet on the demographic data, as I suspect

Re: UK foreign assets

1998-04-01 Thread Rosser Jr, John Barkley
Mark, The discrepancy between State Department and CIA numbers is perfectly reasonable and a good example of what the discussion about ppp measures was all about. The reason Japanese ppp pc income is so low is mostly because of very high food and housing prices in Japan. Anybody go

Pro-union professor sued for libel

1998-04-01 Thread Louis Proyect
April 1, 1998 Cornell Professor Fights a Slander Suit By STEVEN GREENHOUSE In an unusual case pitting a claim of defamation against defense of academic freedom, a labor relations professor at Cornell University is being sued for slander by the nation's largest nursing home company. The compan

credits (was Soviet balance sheet)

1998-04-01 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
Ah, and let's not foreget about another Westminster accomplishment: the potato famine that wiped out a good chunk of the Irish population. Curiously, Western pundits usually fail to give the British government a credit for that event, yet Stalin gets the full credit for the famine his agrarian pol

Re: Peruvian Maoism

1998-04-01 Thread Brian Green
The >political context of that period is one of a civil war launched by the >Maoists to overthrow the nationalist-reformist government of Alan Garcia, >while the leftists you and NACLA identified with supported this government. I don't know where you get this assumption from...I have never suppo

Re: Soviet balance sheet

1998-04-01 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
> Date sent: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 10:19:47 -0500 > Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: Wojtek Sokolowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject:Re: Soviet balance sheet Wojtek cited the passage below from Dennis. I did not receive this missive

Re: Soviet balance sheet

1998-04-01 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
> Date sent: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:46:19 -0500 > Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: Wojtek Sokolowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject:Re: Soviet balance sheet > At 05:09 PM 3/31/98 -0400, Richardo Duchesne wrote: > >Collateral damage?!

Re: Soviet balance sheet

1998-04-01 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 01:04 PM 4/1/98 -0400, you wrote: >Don't give me the "great man" jibe; that's a non-issue here. What >high moral grounds? I don't think the choice is between zero >understanding of ethics and "getting off high moral grounds". And, >believe me, you are defending Stalin. > >ricardo I have

Movie Watching in Latin America

1998-04-01 Thread Steven S. Zahniser
On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Thomas Kruse wrote: > A moment ago, it seems, in the back and forth between Devine and Duchesne, > someone made mention of how in times of crisis -- in the last instance -- > the distinction between police and military breaks down; the example cited > was the LA uprising/rio

Re: Peruvian Maoism

1998-04-01 Thread Brian Green
Louis: If you will re-read my message, I think you'll find nothing in here to start a personal war; on the contrary, I liked your post, and wanted to encourage discussion of the real issues you tried to raise. My comment on forming a 'Sendero fan club' was actually not directed at you at all, but

Re: Peruvian Maoism

1998-04-01 Thread Louis Proyect
At 07:33 PM 3/31/98 +, you wrote: >As someone who is just an uninformed yet interested bystander >in this debate/dialogue, I am curious where Tupac Amaru fits >into the tapestry of the Peruvian left. > >John Gulick The Tupac Amaru (MRTA) had Guevarist politics closer to my own, but they ne

Re: Soviet balance sheet

1998-04-01 Thread Mark Jones
Dennis wrote: > Once > the forges of Magnitogorsk began to churn out T-72s in a big way, the tide > of the war changed for good. > I hate to quibble, but the forges of Chelyabinsk (not Magnitogorsk) did not start churning out T-72s until at least the 1970s. Mark

Re: Soviet balance sheet

1998-04-01 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 12:09 AM 4/1/98 -0800, Dennis R Redmond wrote: > >In any case, the battles of the Eastern front were not won or lost by >top leaders, but by popular mobilizations: Germany had a short-term >advantage over the Soviet Union in terms of military readiness and in >certain areas such as aircraft pr

Re: Peruvian Maoism

1998-04-01 Thread Mark Jones
James, and anyone else disposed to misread me in the same way, for the sake of clarity let me confirm that I merely enjoin Brian or anyone else seeking to criticise the PCP on 'human rights' grounds, to permit the existence of a level playing field (check the mote in our own eye etc), ie, there mu

Re: A Right-wing ballot initiativer

1998-04-01 Thread MScoleman
My next door neighbor is a union organizer for 32B/32J national -- which for the uninitiated is the union that "made" John Sweeny and carried him to win the election of the AFL/CIO. Oh, did I mention that my neighbor is African American, male, and way left of center? He was hired by Sweeny years

Re: Peruvian Maoism

1998-04-01 Thread Louis Proyect
Brian Greene: >Louis' initial post makes an important point...Sendero's use of indigenous >imagery and its attempt to marry Marxism and traditional Inca culture is >radically different from the practice of revolutionay movements elsewhere, >i.e Nicaragua ( yes, the Sandinistas deserve all the cri

Re: A Right-wing ballot initiativer

1998-04-01 Thread Mike Yates
Friends, In the last issue of The Nation, Marc Cooper notes that the most recent BLS data on union density do not fully reflect a 400,000 increase in union membership, so that union density did not actually fall. Of course, there has been no breakthrough as of yet. I look forward to reading Mic

Re: UK foreign assets

1998-04-01 Thread Mark Jones
What are the figures? There's been a lot of Jap and Asian and US (even German) FDI. But I don't believe anything any more. The State Department has 1995 Japanese GDP at $41k pc, the CIA at $21k ppp pc... Mark PS my real quation is still about the fate of Japan.

Re: Peruvian Maoism

1998-04-01 Thread Mark Jones
Brian Green wrote: > However, with Robert Saute, I would add that it is not possible, nor > desirable, to ignore the human rights issues Meaning, we must take the PCP at your evaluation rather than it's own. Fine, if you also permit us reciprocally to question the totality of your own commitment

Re: Soviet balance sheet

1998-04-01 Thread Dennis R Redmond
On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, PJM0930 wrote: > The Wehrmacht might have long delayed the > Russian advance and perhaps ground it to a halt except for the fact that > Hilter made it a point of involving > himself with tactial and operational doctrine to the point it > tremendously weakened the Germans def