[PEN-L:686] Warm Coke in China, was banning Coca Cola?

1998-08-09 Thread Stephen E Philion
On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, Eugene P. Coyle wrote: Consumption is learned behavior. The desire for Coca Cola doesn't spring unbidden from the innocent mind. And Coca Cola needs an infrastructure. Refridgeration and ice. Coca Cola had a hard time getting started in the UK because ice

[PEN-L:682] Re: Re: Democracy and indigenous peoples

1998-08-09 Thread James Devine
Doug Henwood: How can you stop this process? From your own example, Michael, its "victims" embrace it with enthusiasm Louis Proyect: Why do you put "victims" in quotes, Doug?... It makes sense to put the word "victim" in quotes because the word seems to imply that these people will always

[PEN-L:680] Inuit and the Internet

1998-08-09 Thread Louis Proyect
Eskimos Warm to the Digital Age By Doug Fine Sunday, August 9, 1998; Page C01 I had never seen a Web site materialize so fast. I was in Toksook Bay, a largely subsistence Yup'ik Eskimo village in western Alaska, 400 miles from Russia and 5,700 miles from Washington. My host, Greg Lincoln, a

[PEN-L:679] Re: Re: banning coca cola ????

1998-08-09 Thread michael perelman
Doug Henwood wrote: they seem to want to deny the Mexican farmer the right to use a Ford tractor. Moderinizing farmers in the U.S. and elsewhere are notorious for overestimating the gains from new technologies. My first book was called Farming for Profit in a Hungry World (1977). I don't

[PEN-L:677] 2 items of interest

1998-08-09 Thread Louis Proyect
1. Today's NY Times Magazine section has an article on the Makah whale-hunt. This has attracted major controversy because the middle-class greens organized in Sea Shepherd Conservation Society are protesting the Makah decision. The Makah number 2000 souls in Northwest Washington State and have

[PEN-L:674] banning coca cola ????

1998-08-09 Thread Michael Perelman
The first piece I published was about the story that Benjamin Franklin told about Capitain Cook. The good captain gave some islanders a steel ax. The chopped and chopped, admiring its utility and then returned it because they did not know how to make it and so did not want to become dependent

[PEN-L:672] Re: Democracy and indigenous peoples

1998-08-09 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: Doug Henwood: How can you stop this process? From your own example, Michael, its "victims" embrace it with enthusiasm. From what democratic point of view can you hinder it? "Civilization" has committed many crimes against indigenous peoples, but I don't see how you can

[PEN-L:667] Shotguns and machetes

1998-08-09 Thread Louis Proyect
"The Enlightened One": I think you should come to terms, publicly, with the fact that the mode of production indigenous cultures are based on is not viable. Indeed, even your cherished Amazon indios are happy to use shotguns and machetes. (from my article "Blackfoot Civilization") When

[PEN-L:668] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Nature bites back

1998-08-09 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Perelman wrote: This argument is old. People from Montesqueiu to Kautsky made it, but it is wrong. More often than not, different modes of production are incompatible. Once the indigeneous peoples begin drinking coke and watching U.S. cinema, they will have great difficulty maintaining

[PEN-L:670] Guarani Indians

1998-08-09 Thread Louis Proyect
Amanaka'a Amazon Network, July 26, 1998 Guarani Indians face eviction from their Ancestral Lands Survival has just learned of an attempt to force a community of Guarani Indians from Potrero GuaƧu, in the Brazilian state of Mato Grosso do Sul, from their ancestral lands. In a judgment issued

[PEN-L:671] Re: social security

1998-08-09 Thread Eugene P. Coyle
This doesn't seem like a joke. The elderly eating cat food are much better off since the free market produced gourmet cat food. We might as well admit that innovation brings benefits. Of course the gourmet variety is more expensive, but that only adds to consumer choice. All to the good. And

[PEN-L:669] Democracy and indigenous peoples

1998-08-09 Thread Louis Proyect
Doug Henwood: How can you stop this process? From your own example, Michael, its "victims" embrace it with enthusiasm. From what democratic point of view can you hinder it? "Civilization" has committed many crimes against indigenous peoples, but I don't see how you can number Coca-Cola and movies

[PEN-L:673] Microsoft, intellectual property and piracy

1998-08-09 Thread Michael Perelman
I took the following from http://www.pbs.org/cringely/main.html Steve Ballmer, the new president of Microsoft, once explained to me at some length how important it was for Microsoft software to be the most pirated in the

[PEN-L:675] Re: banning coca cola ????

1998-08-09 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Perelman wrote: In closing, I think that societies depend social norms. The image that many people have of life in the United States is inaccurate, but absolutely seductive. Maybe you can help me sort this thing out? It's not easy to sort out, because, as Terry Eagleton characterized

[PEN-L:683] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Nature bites back

1998-08-09 Thread James Devine
"The bourgeoisie, by the rapid improvement of all instruments of production, by the immensely facilitated means of communication, draws all, even the most barbarian, nations into civilization. The cheap prices of commodities are the heavy artillery with which it forces the barbarians' intensely