[PEN-L:10072] What Is to Be Done?: Women's Rights the Left (was Re: ValueTheory and Abortion)

1999-08-16 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
attack on abortion is at core an attack on women, which is one of the reasons there can be no compromise on the issue. Carrol because of role it plays in structure of gender oppression - *case closed* whoops, guess not, notice how quickly Yoshie's concern with decline in abortion providers

[PEN-L:10076] Abortion: another angle

1999-08-16 Thread Michael Keaney
Born to be bad Is abortion a weapon in the war against crime? Sharon Krum reports from New York on controversial new research that says it is The Guardian, Tuesday August 10, 1999 Can a poor, black woman who had an abortion in Kentucky in 1974 take any credit for the spectacularly low crime

[PEN-L:10085] Re: Re: Abortion and other wedge issues

1999-08-16 Thread michael
I was very impressed during the 70s reading Sennett and Cobb's Hidden Injuries of Class how the anti-welfare whites deep down knew that the Black welfare people lived under miserable conditions, but they resented the fact that welfare people managed to live without having to endure the sacrafices

[PEN-L:10087] Re: Marx, and Rhetoric

1999-08-16 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Marx's point in writing Capital was to do away with rhetoric. Rather than pointing to the horrors of capitalism and pointing to evil acts of specific people or even classes, he attempted to show how the system as a whole worked according to its own laws of motion. Like any polemic work,

[PEN-L:10090] Re: RE: RE: Fwd: Re: RE: Value TheoryandAbortion:[WasFree Speech and Opport

1999-08-16 Thread Charles Brown
Rob Schaap [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/16/99 11:26AM G'day Chas'n'Max, You write: So Lauren Bacall , the Sweetheart, was as tough as Boggie ? I don't think so. Way tougher, Chas! As with Kate and Spencer. Actually, women had some serious character and plot grunt there for a while in the

[PEN-L:10098] International Inequality Comparisons?

1999-08-16 Thread david dorkin
Can anyone direct to any good, preferably online comparisons of inequality in both income and wealth across countries? I am aware of James Galbraith's working paper at CEPA and am looking for any other data sources and tables clearly presented if possible Thanks in advance Dave Dorkin

[PEN-L:10100] Ten-second editorial from strikers' paper

1999-08-16 Thread Charles Brown
8/7/99 Detroit Sunday Journal Ten-Second Editorial Republicans want a huge tax cut so that Alan Greenspan will raise interest rates so the money that would have gone to paying down the national debt will go instead to bankers and credit card companies.

[PEN-L:10102] International Inequality Comparisons?

1999-08-16 Thread Louis Proyect
UN Human Development Report: http://www.undp.org/hdro/ At 02:15 PM 8/16/99 -0400, you wrote: Can anyone direct to any good, preferably online comparisons of inequality in both income and wealth across countries? I am aware of James Galbraith's working paper at CEPA and am looking for any other

[PEN-L:10104] Re: Re: Abortion: another angle (2)

1999-08-16 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Ann Li Michael Keaney: There's more than a family(sic) resemblance to eugenic and genocidal arguments of earlier historical periods here and hopefully an equally stronger response by social scientists in areas like looking carefully at the full range of microdata on demographics, specific

[PEN-L:10113] Argentina Intl.Inequality

1999-08-16 Thread david dorkin
I should probably point out why I was looking for more info today on inequality. In Pagina1 12, the Argentinian left daily, a report came out from an establishment consulting firm (FIEL)that the income share of the top 10% is 49.3% and not 37 as stated by Indec, the official agency in Argentina.

[PEN-L:10115] Re: Argentina Intl.Inequality

1999-08-16 Thread Doug Henwood
david dorkin wrote: I should probably point out why I was looking for more info today on inequality. In Pagina1 12, the Argentinian left daily, a report came out from an establishment consulting firm (FIEL)that the income share of the top 10% is 49.3% and not 37 as stated by Indec, the official

[PEN-L:10116] Re: Re: Race, Sacrifice,and Dignigy (wasRe:Abortionand other wedge issues)

1999-08-16 Thread Charles Brown
Wojtek Sokolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/16/99 02:42PM At 02:12 PM 8/16/99 -0400, Charles Brown wrote: Charles: Not to be a pessimist or a smart ass, Wojtek, but , I swear to god, the movement 50 years ago seems to be ahead of the movement today in a lot of ways. Somehow this progress in

[PEN-L:10119] Re: Argentina Intl.Inequality

1999-08-16 Thread david dorkin
Well, I'm sure you're aware of the fact that Argentina has traditionally been the most equally disributed country in the region historically; this approaches Brazilian levels and seems pretty significant to me coming as it does after a series of Menem and Cavallo reforms which are widely held to

[PEN-L:10124] Is India a third world country?

1999-08-16 Thread Louis Proyect
(From the chapter on Frederic Jameson in Aijaz Ahmad's "In Theory: Classes, Nations, Literatures) Jameson seems to be aware of the difficulties in conceptualizing the global dispersion of powers and populations in terms of his particular variant of the Three Worlds Theory (‘I take the point of

[PEN-L:10122] Re: Re: Re: Race,Sacrifice,and Dignigy (wasRe:Abortionand other wedge issues)

1999-08-16 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 04:21 PM 8/16/99 -0400, Chareles wrote: Charles: Why is it do you think that the way you tell it "consciousness" is not corresponding to "structure" ? Are you saying this "perfect soical control" is exercised through "structure" and not "consciousness" ? Let me get this straight. Are you

[PEN-L:10121] Re: What Is to Be Done?: Women's Rights the Left (was Re: Value

1999-08-16 Thread Michael Hoover
Perhaps there is either insufficient interest in or, more likely, *few good ideas* about how to reverse the decline in abortion providers. What is to be done is not usually debated on e-lists, whereas one can always count upon getting a profusion of opinions, and if we are lucky, some

[PEN-L:10120] Re: John Lloyd

1999-08-16 Thread Sam Pawlett
John Lloyd was embarrased by Peter Gowan in a debate carried in the New Left Review# 215. Lloyd it looks has changed his tune since his neo-liberal ravings in NLR and a previous piece in the LRB. Sam P.

[PEN-L:10118] Re: Race, Sacrifice, and Dignigy (was Re: Abortion and other wedgeissues)

1999-08-16 Thread michael perelman
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Another way to look at Hidden Injuries of Class is how racism helps many whites accept sacrifices on the job, in that racism helps them translate such sacrifices into the notion of (racialized) "dignity" of paid employment. This is a clear example of how racism does

[PEN-L:10117] Re: Roe v. Wade (was Abortion and communication)

1999-08-16 Thread Michael Hoover
Do you know that Roe v. Wade (1973) itself gave women only a very limited and circumscribed right? Remember, the anti-abortion movement has not been happy with Roe v. Wade (which was itself something of a legal balancing act), nor has it been satisfied by numerous subsequent regulations

[PEN-L:10114] Re: Re: Marx, and Rhetoric

1999-08-16 Thread Stephen E Philion
Richard, Is it possible that you might demonstrate to us how the segment that you quote below is 'rhetorical'? You might not agree with what is asserted below, but how is it 'heavily rhetorical'? Steve Someone (?) wrote: Marx's point in writing Capital was to do away with rhetoric. Rather

[PEN-L:10112] Re: Re: Fw: Creating Real Choice as a Coalitiontactic (Re: ANSWER: N

1999-08-16 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Ellen wrote: You know, I'd love to know who these progressive Catholics are that can't work in coalition with other progressives because of abortion. Left Catholics I know (and I know quite a few) are happy to work with progressives on issues like welfare, family support, health care and so on,

[PEN-L:10111] Re International Inequality Comparisons?

1999-08-16 Thread david dorkin
Right, but the Galbraith paper for example, makes an attempt to work around this and I was wondering if there were any other readily available papers or tables on this question of at least some use. Sorry for not expressing my question better. Thanks That's the only internationally comparable

[PEN-L:10110] More on the FT

1999-08-16 Thread Louis Proyect
Louis Proyect wrote: Yesterday's NY Times magazine section had an extraordinarily frank article on the collapse of Russian society brought on by capitalism... What is also notable is that the author is John Lloyd, a reporter for the Financial Times, a rock-ribbed Tory publication. Politically,

[PEN-L:10108] Re: Re: Re: International Inequality Comparisons?

1999-08-16 Thread Doug Henwood
david dorkin wrote: Thanks, but the Luxembourg study has little info on this and covers very few countries. That's the only internationally comparable data. The UN and World Bank collect national data, but from different years using different techniques and definitions. The World Bank

[PEN-L:10109] Re: Fw: Creating Real Choice as a Coalitiontactic (Re: ANSWER: Name this socialist

1999-08-16 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Nathan: Real choice for women, as those anti-abortion advocates argue, requires a remaking of the workplace to fully accomodate pregnancy, tough anti-discrimination laws to protect the right of women to both have kids and a career, and full funding of benefits to help raise the child after birth.

[PEN-L:10107] Re: Re: International Inequality Comparisons?

1999-08-16 Thread david dorkin
Thanks, but the Luxembourg study has little info on this and covers very few countries. I am familiar with the World Banks tables but they too are quite incomplete and difficult to read (in PDF form). Anyone know of anything else preferably with some analysis of the stats as well? try

[PEN-L:10103] Re: Re: Race, Sacrifice,and Dignigy (was Re:Abortionand other wedge issues)

1999-08-16 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 02:12 PM 8/16/99 -0400, Charles Brown wrote: Charles: Not to be a pessimist or a smart ass, Wojtek, but , I swear to god, the movement 50 years ago seems to be ahead of the movement today in a lot of ways. Somehow this progress in attitudes is not translated into progress in action, practice,

[PEN-L:10101] Re: Re: Race, Sacrifice, and Dignity (was Re:Abortion and other wedge issues)

1999-08-16 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Dear Wojtek: But looking at it from another angle, it could be a sign of a certain progress. Fifty or so years ago, the presence of a social ill (poverty, inability to support oneself) would lead to a summary stereotyping of an antire ethnic group - as it was the case of not only blacks, but

[PEN-L:10099] Body as Self-Property, Not Commodity (was Re: Abortion Bargaining)

1999-08-16 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Hi Sam: Abortion is not morally wrong if you hold the principle of self-ownership. I have a property right in my own bodymind. Central to a property right is the right of disposal. Rosalind Petchesky presents such a view in her "The Body as Property: A Feminist Re-Vision" (in _Conceiving the

[PEN-L:10097] Re: Race, Sacrifice,and Dignigy (was Re:Abortion and other wedge issues)

1999-08-16 Thread Charles Brown
Wojtek Sokolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/16/99 01:08PM At 12:33 PM 8/16/99 -0400, Yoshie wrote: That said, it was and is not inevitable that class antagonism gets deformed into a racist form. All workers make sacrifices on the job (and in fact black workers generally make bigger sacrifices than

[PEN-L:10096] Re: Race, Sacrifice,and Dignigy (was Re: Abortion and other wedge issues)

1999-08-16 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 12:33 PM 8/16/99 -0400, Yoshie wrote: That said, it was and is not inevitable that class antagonism gets deformed into a racist form. All workers make sacrifices on the job (and in fact black workers generally make bigger sacrifices than whites under the same employers), but not all workers

Re: [PEN-L:10085] Abortion and other wedge issues

1999-08-16 Thread kcwalker
At 07:45 AM 8/16/1999 -0700, you wrote: I was very impressed during the 70s reading Sennett and Cobb's Hidden Injuries of Class how the anti-welfare whites deep down knew that the Black welfare people lived under miserable conditions, but they resented the fact that welfare people managed to live

[PEN-L:10095] Race, Sacrifice, and Dignigy (was Re: Abortion and other wedgeissues)

1999-08-16 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Michael: I was very impressed during the 70s reading Sennett and Cobb's Hidden Injuries of Class how the anti-welfare whites deep down knew that the Black welfare people lived under miserable conditions, but they resented the fact that welfare people managed to live without having to endure the

[PEN-L:10094] Re: Re: Campus Area Gentrification

1999-08-16 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 11:04 AM 8/14/99 -0700, Sam P. wrote: Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: So urban development, gentrification or whatever you want to call it is bad. Not necessarily. Gentrification is not all bad. Starbucks has good coffee (I'm told). Subway makes their own bread too. What I'm criticising is how

[PEN-L:10093] Re: Re: Homelessness in Russia

1999-08-16 Thread Louis Proyect
The FT endorsed the Labour Party in the last British election, which of course isn't to say they don't hold orthodox financiers' opinions; it's a measure of how far right Labour has moved and how irrelevant the Tories have become. The news staff of the FT is full of social democrats and even

[PEN-L:10092] Re: Re: Marx, and Rhetoric

1999-08-16 Thread michael perelman
What is remarkable is how far Marx purged Capital of polemics, as I said before, treating capitalists as the charactermasks of capital. Ricardo Duchesne wrote: Marx's point in writing Capital was to do away with rhetoric. Rather than pointing to the horrors of capitalism and pointing to

[PEN-L:10089] Re: Marx's law (?) of the falling profit rate

1999-08-16 Thread William B. Ryan
The obverse of shares. At Washington-on-the-Brazos--where Texas' Declaration of Independence was signed, is a small museum. In that museum, framed on a wall, is a share of the original township which was issued by the city fathers to its citizens. The shares circulated as money in this pioneer

[PEN-L:10086] (Fwd) guatemala

1999-08-16 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:15:53 -0400 Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: christopher chase-dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:WORLD SYSTEMS NETWORK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: guatemala Dangerous Moment for Guatemalan Peace

[PEN-L:10084] Re: Re: Abortion Bargaining

1999-08-16 Thread michael
Sam, there are some free exchange programs in the U.S., but they are not legal. Sam Pawlett wrote: BTW, the only free needle exchange program in N.America is in Vancouver. It has worked quite well. Evidence is fuzzy, but it has saved lives and stopped the spread of HIV. Sam P. --

[PEN-L:10083] Re: Fw: Creating Real Choice as a Coalition tactic (Re: ANSWER: N

1999-08-16 Thread Ellen Frank
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A lot of folks simply dismiss anti-abortion views as support for capitalist patriarchy, while ignoring the real existence of anti-abortion activists who support womens rights and other progressive social values in every other sphere of society. Progressive Catholics

[PEN-L:10077] Abortion: another angle (2)

1999-08-16 Thread Michael Keaney
Abortion cuts crime says study Michael Ellison in New York The Guardian, Tuesday August 10, 1999 Up to half the fall in the United States crime rate is due to abortions for teenagers, the poor and women from minority communities, according to research that gives a new twist to one of the most