[PEN-L:10126] Richard who?Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx, and Rhetoric

Ajit, Below I included the message from Richard Duchesne...that Richard... Streve On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Ajit Sinha wrote: > > > Stephen E Philion wrote: > > > Richard, Is it possible that you might demonstrate to us how the segment > > that you quote below is 'rhetorical'? You might not agre

[PEN-L:10124] Is India a third world country?

(From the chapter on Frederic Jameson in Aijaz Ahmad's "In Theory: Classes, Nations, Literatures) Jameson seems to be aware of the difficulties in conceptualizing the global dispersion of powers and populations in terms of his particular variant of the Three Worlds Theory (‘I take the point of c

[PEN-L:10122] Re: Re: Re: Race,Sacrifice,and "Dignigy" (wasRe:Abortionand other wedge issues)

At 04:21 PM 8/16/99 -0400, Chareles wrote: > >Charles: Why is it do you think that the way you tell it "consciousness" is not corresponding to "structure" ? Are you saying this "perfect soical control" is exercised through "structure" and not "consciousness" ? Let me get this straight. Are you

[PEN-L:10121] Re: What Is to Be Done?: Women's Rights & the Left (was Re: Value

> Perhaps there is either insufficient interest in or, more likely, *few good > ideas* about how to reverse the decline in abortion providers. What is to > be done is not usually debated on e-lists, whereas one can always count > upon getting a profusion of opinions, and if we are lucky, some anal

[PEN-L:10119] Re: Argentina & Intl.Inequality

Well, I'm sure you're aware of the fact that Argentina has traditionally been the most equally disributed country in the region historically; this approaches Brazilian levels and seems pretty significant to me coming as it does after a series of Menem and Cavallo reforms which are widely held to b

[PEN-L:10117] Re: Roe v. Wade (was Abortion and communication)

> Do you know that Roe v. Wade (1973) itself gave women only a very limited > and circumscribed right? > Remember, the anti-abortion movement has not been happy with Roe v. Wade > (which was itself something of a legal balancing act), nor has it been > satisfied by numerous subsequent regulation

[PEN-L:10116] Re: Re: Race, Sacrifice,and "Dignigy" (wasRe:Abortionand other wedge issues)

>>> Wojtek Sokolowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/16/99 02:42PM >>> At 02:12 PM 8/16/99 -0400, Charles Brown wrote: > >Charles: Not to be a pessimist or a smart ass, Wojtek, but , I swear to god, the movement 50 years ago seems to be ahead of the movement today in a lot of ways. Somehow this progress

[PEN-L:10115] Re: Argentina & Intl.Inequality

david dorkin wrote: >I should probably point out why I was looking for more info today on >inequality. In Pagina1 12, the Argentinian left daily, a report came out >from an establishment consulting firm (FIEL)that the income share of the >top 10% is 49.3% and not 37 as stated by Indec, the offici

[PEN-L:10113] Argentina & Intl.Inequality

I should probably point out why I was looking for more info today on inequality. In Pagina1 12, the Argentinian left daily, a report came out from an establishment consulting firm (FIEL)that the income share of the top 10% is 49.3% and not 37 as stated by Indec, the official agency in Argentina. A

[PEN-L:10112] Re: Re: Fw: Creating Real "Choice" as a Coalitiontactic (Re: ANSWER: N

Ellen wrote: >You know, I'd love to know who these progressive Catholics >are that can't work in coalition with other progressives >because of abortion. Left Catholics I know (and I know >quite a few) are happy to work with progressives on >issues like welfare, family support, health care and so

[PEN-L:10111] Re International Inequality Comparisons?

Right, but the Galbraith paper for example, makes an attempt to work around this and I was wondering if there were any other readily available papers or tables on this question of at least some use. Sorry for not expressing my question better. Thanks > That's the only internationally comparable

[PEN-L:10110] More on the FT

Louis Proyect wrote: < Yesterday's NY Times magazine section had an extraordinarily frank article on the collapse of Russian society brought on by capitalism... What is also notable is that the author is John Lloyd, a reporter for the Financial Times, a rock-ribbed Tory publication. > Politically

[PEN-L:10109] Re: Fw: Creating Real "Choice" as a Coalitiontactic (Re: ANSWER: Name this socialist

Nathan: >Real choice for women, as those anti-abortion advocates argue, requires a >remaking of the workplace to fully accomodate pregnancy, tough >anti-discrimination laws to >protect the right of women to both have kids and a career, and full funding >of benefits to help raise the child after bi

[PEN-L:10108] Re: Re: Re: International Inequality Comparisons?

david dorkin wrote: >Thanks, but the Luxembourg study has little info on this and covers very >few countries. That's the only internationally comparable data. The UN and World Bank collect national data, but from different years using different techniques and definitions. The World Bank figure

[PEN-L:10107] Re: Re: International Inequality Comparisons?

Thanks, but the Luxembourg study has little info on this and covers very few countries. I am familiar with the World Banks tables but they too are quite incomplete and difficult to read (in PDF form). Anyone know of anything else preferably with some analysis of the stats as well? > try _Luxembo

[PEN-L:10106] Re: Re: Re: Race, Sacrifice,and "Dignity" (was Re: Abortion and other wedge issues)

At 02:24 PM 8/16/99 -0400, Yoshie wrote: >suppose you are indulging yourself in the same imaginary solution by your >reference to the "lit-crit crowd," who presumably are the only denizens of >academe, unlike, say, social scientists who have nothing to do with the >"shadow of ivory towers." Ah,

[PEN-L:10105] Re: International Inequality Comparisons?

At 02:15 PM 8/16/99 -0400, you wrote: >Can anyone direct to any good, preferably online comparisons of >inequality in both income and wealth across countries? I am aware of >James Galbraith's working paper at CEPA and am looking for any other >data sources and tables clearly presented if possible

[PEN-L:10103] Re: Re: Race, Sacrifice,and "Dignigy" (was Re:Abortionand other wedge issues)

At 02:12 PM 8/16/99 -0400, Charles Brown wrote: > >Charles: Not to be a pessimist or a smart ass, Wojtek, but , I swear to god, the movement 50 years ago seems to be ahead of the movement today in a lot of ways. Somehow this progress in attitudes is not translated into progress in action, practice

[PEN-L:10104] Re: Re: Abortion: another angle (2)

Ann Li & Michael Keaney: >There's more than a family(sic) resemblance to eugenic and genocidal >arguments of earlier historical periods here and hopefully an equally >stronger response by social scientists in areas like looking carefully at >the full range of microdata on demographics, specific re

[PEN-L:10102] International Inequality Comparisons?

UN Human Development Report: http://www.undp.org/hdro/ At 02:15 PM 8/16/99 -0400, you wrote: >Can anyone direct to any good, preferably online comparisons of >inequality in both income and wealth across countries? I am aware of >James Galbraith's working paper at CEPA and am looking for any other

[PEN-L:10080] Re: Homelessness in Russia

Lou Thanks for posting this. If Lloyd is changing tack, then good for him. I remember him penning a long article for the FT backing Yeltsin's use of tanks against his own parliament. It's possible that such extraordinary frankness on the part of "expert" journalists may instead be premised on the

[PEN-L:10100] Ten-second editorial from strikers' paper

8/7/99 Detroit Sunday Journal Ten-Second Editorial Republicans want a huge tax cut so that Alan Greenspan will raise interest rates so the money that would have gone to paying down the national debt will go instead to bankers and credit card companies.

[PEN-L:10101] Re: Re: Race, Sacrifice, and "Dignity" (was Re:Abortion and other wedge issues)

Dear Wojtek: >But looking at it from another angle, it could be a sign of a certain >progress. Fifty or so years ago, the presence of a social ill (poverty, >inability to support oneself) would lead to a summary stereotyping of an >antire ethnic group - as it was the case of not only blacks, but

[PEN-L:10098] International Inequality Comparisons?

Can anyone direct to any good, preferably online comparisons of inequality in both income and wealth across countries? I am aware of James Galbraith's working paper at CEPA and am looking for any other data sources and tables clearly presented if possible Thanks in advance Dave Dorkin

[PEN-L:10097] Re: Race, Sacrifice,and "Dignigy" (was Re:Abortion and other wedge issues)

>>> Wojtek Sokolowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/16/99 01:08PM >>> At 12:33 PM 8/16/99 -0400, Yoshie wrote: >That said, it was and is not inevitable that class antagonism gets deformed >into a racist form. All workers make sacrifices on the job (and in fact >black workers generally make bigger sacri

pen-l@galaxy.csuchico.edu

Hi Sam: >Abortion is not morally wrong if you hold the principle of >self-ownership. I have a property right in my own body&mind. Central to >a property right is the right of disposal. Rosalind Petchesky presents such a view in her "The Body as Property: A Feminist Re-Vision" (in _Conceiving the

[PEN-L:10120] Re: John Lloyd

John Lloyd was embarrased by Peter Gowan in a debate carried in the New Left Review# 215. Lloyd it looks has changed his tune since his neo-liberal ravings in NLR and a previous piece in the LRB. Sam P.

[PEN-L:10118] Re: Race, Sacrifice, and "Dignigy" (was Re: Abortion and other wedgeissues)

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > Another way to look at Hidden Injuries of Class is how racism helps many > whites accept sacrifices on the job, in that racism helps them translate > such sacrifices into the notion of (racialized) "dignity" of paid > employment. This is a clear example of how racism doe

[PEN-L:10096] Re: Race, Sacrifice,and "Dignigy" (was Re: Abortion and other wedge issues)

At 12:33 PM 8/16/99 -0400, Yoshie wrote: >That said, it was and is not inevitable that class antagonism gets deformed >into a racist form. All workers make sacrifices on the job (and in fact >black workers generally make bigger sacrifices than whites under the same >employers), but not all workers

Re: [PEN-L:10085] Abortion and other wedge issues

At 07:45 AM 8/16/1999 -0700, you wrote: >I was very impressed during the 70s reading Sennett and Cobb's Hidden Injuries >of Class how the anti-welfare whites deep down knew that the Black welfare >people lived under miserable conditions, but they resented the fact that >welfare people managed to l

[PEN-L:10095] Race, Sacrifice, and "Dignigy" (was Re: Abortion and other wedgeissues)

Michael: >I was very impressed during the 70s reading Sennett and Cobb's Hidden Injuries >of Class how the anti-welfare whites deep down knew that the Black welfare >people lived under miserable conditions, but they resented the fact that >welfare people managed to live without having to endure th

[PEN-L:10094] Re: Re: Campus Area Gentrification

At 11:04 AM 8/14/99 -0700, Sam P. wrote: >Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: >> >> So urban development, gentrification or whatever you want to call it is >> bad. > >Not necessarily. Gentrification is not all bad. Starbucks has good >coffee (I'm told). Subway makes their own bread too. What I'm >criticisin

[PEN-L:10093] Re: Re: Homelessness in Russia

>The FT endorsed the Labour Party in the last British election, which >of course isn't to say they don't hold orthodox financiers' opinions; >it's a measure of how far right Labour has moved and how irrelevant >the Tories have become. The news staff of the FT is full of social >democrats and e

[PEN-L:10087] Re: Marx, and Rhetoric

> Marx's point in writing Capital was to do away with rhetoric. Rather than > pointing to the horrors of capitalism and pointing to evil acts of specific > people or even classes, he attempted to show how the system as a whole worked > according to its own laws of motion. Like any polemic work,

[PEN-L:10091] Re: Homelessness in Russia

Louis Proyect wrote: >Yesterday's NY Times magazine section had an extraordinarily frank article >on the collapse of Russian society brought on by capitalism. Unfortunately, >it is not available online, otherwise I'd supply the URL. It's at

[PEN-L:10090] Re: RE: RE: Fwd: Re: RE: Value TheoryandAbortion:[WasFree Speech and Opport

>>> Rob Schaap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/16/99 11:26AM >>> G'day Chas'n'Max, You write: >So Lauren Bacall , the Sweetheart, was as tough as Boggie ? > >I don't think so. Way tougher, Chas! As with Kate and Spencer. Actually, women had some serious character and plot grunt there for a while in

[PEN-L:10086] (Fwd) guatemala

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[PEN-L:10077] Abortion: another angle (2)

Abortion cuts crime says study Michael Ellison in New York The Guardian, Tuesday August 10, 1999 Up to half the fall in the United States crime rate is due to abortions for teenagers, the poor and women from minority communities, according to research that gives a new twist to one of the most

[PEN-L:10076] Abortion: another angle

Born to be bad Is abortion a weapon in the war against crime? Sharon Krum reports from New York on controversial new research that says it is The Guardian, Tuesday August 10, 1999 Can a poor, black woman who had an abortion in Kentucky in 1974 take any credit for the spectacularly low crime r

[PEN-L:10082] RE: RE: Fwd: Re: RE: Value Theory and Abortion:[WasFree Speech and Opport

So Lauren Bacall , the Sweetheart, was as tough as Boggie ? I don't think so. CB >>> Max Sawicky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/13/99 05:19PM >>> Actually my favorite decade is the 40's. Lauren Bacall. ("You know how to whistle, don't ya?") ( Charles: I don't know. That last sentence is s

[PEN-L:10083] Re: Fw: Creating Real "Choice" as a Coalition tactic (Re: ANSWER: N

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >A lot of folks simply dismiss anti-abortion views as support for >capitalist >patriarchy, while ignoring the real existence of anti-abortion activists >who >support womens rights and other progressive social values in every other >sphere of society. Progressive Cath

[PEN-L:10114] Re: Re: Marx, and Rhetoric

Richard, Is it possible that you might demonstrate to us how the segment that you quote below is 'rhetorical'? You might not agree with what is asserted below, but how is it 'heavily rhetorical'? Steve Someone (?) wrote: > > > Marx's point in writing Capital was to do away with rhetoric. Rathe

[PEN-L:10081] Fw: Creating Real "Choice" as a Coalition tactic (Re: ANSWER: Name this socialist

[modified from post on LBO] The issue is not just compromises that sacrifice one part or the other of a coalition but one that seeks the broader values of each party that if combined might create a more inclusive vision while promoting the values of each. Through real understanding and engagemen

[PEN-L:10079] Re: Abortion: another angle (2)

There's more than a family(sic) resemblance to eugenic and genocidal arguments of earlier historical periods here and hopefully an equally stronger response by social scientists in areas like looking carefully at the full range of microdata on demographics, specific region, income etc. And of cour

[PEN-L:10078] Homelessness in Russia

Yesterday's NY Times magazine section had an extraordinarily frank article on the collapse of Russian society brought on by capitalism. Unfortunately, it is not available online, otherwise I'd supply the URL. What is also notable is that the author is John Lloyd, a reporter for the Financial Times

[PEN-L:10092] Re: Re: Marx, and Rhetoric

What is remarkable is how far Marx purged Capital of polemics, as I said before, treating capitalists as the charactermasks of capital. Ricardo Duchesne wrote: > > Marx's point in writing Capital was to do away with rhetoric. Rather than > > pointing to the horrors of capitalism and pointing to

[PEN-L:10089] Re: Marx's law (?) of the falling profit rate

The obverse of shares. At Washington-on-the-Brazos--where Texas' Declaration of Independence was signed, is a small museum. In that museum, framed on a wall, is a share of the original township which was issued by the city fathers to its citizens. The shares circulated as money in this pioneer

[PEN-L:10085] Re: Re: Abortion and other wedge issues

I was very impressed during the 70s reading Sennett and Cobb's Hidden Injuries of Class how the anti-welfare whites deep down knew that the Black welfare people lived under miserable conditions, but they resented the fact that welfare people managed to live without having to endure the sacrafices

[PEN-L:10084] Re: Re: Abortion & Bargaining

Sam, there are some free exchange programs in the U.S., but they are not legal. Sam Pawlett wrote: >BTW, the only free needle exchange program in N.America is in > Vancouver. It has worked quite well. Evidence is fuzzy, but it has saved > lives and stopped the spread of HIV. > Sam P. -- Mic

[PEN-L:10075] Re: Abortion and other wedge issues

Michael wrote: >Wedge issues are very destructive and the right has used it >magnificently. I am going to take a risk here and mention a recent >example from pen-l. There was one issue in which many people on this >list were unable to communicate rationally. I felt strongly on one side >but fel

[PEN-L:10072] What Is to Be Done?: Women's Rights & the Left (was Re: ValueTheory and Abortion)

>> attack on abortion is at core an attack on women, >> which is one of the reasons there can be no compromise on the issue. >> Carrol > >because of role it plays in structure of gender oppression - *case >closed* > >whoops, guess not, notice how quickly Yoshie's concern with decline >in abortion