now you know

2000-08-05 Thread neil
Yeah-- the same ACLU "civil libertarians" that defended the 'rights' of Nazis to march thru a Jewish neighborhhod in Skokie, Ill. and secretly gave privileged info on their clients to the FBI during the '50s purges 'of lefts-radicals from public life. The same ACLU that laughed at me

Soliciting policy

2000-08-05 Thread Chris Burford
At this stage the campaigns are not into policy-think. They're too busy looking for rocks to throw at each other. Whoever wins will start soliciting policy books from aspiring office-seekers. RE: RE: Brad on Krugman by Max Sawicky 04 August 2000 18:59 _ Presumably this

The Internet Anti-Fascist: Tuesday, 1 August 2000 -- 4:62 (#447)

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Re: Globalization article

2000-08-05 Thread Chris Burford
At 11:33 02/08/00 -0400, Charles forwarded Globalization: Built on lies By David Eisenhower -PWW Valuable to have a relatively comprehensive article from a consciously left point of view, with a large amount of empirical detail. Two reservations: 1) I agree there are policies and an

Re: Re: now you know

2000-08-05 Thread Michael Perelman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Goldberger, who was the ACLU attorney in the Skokie-Nazi case, was my First Amendment prof at Ohio State Law, also my legal writing instructor. He was rather surprised to find that a National Lawyers Guild type like me was also a rabid kneejerk old-fashioned

Re: Re: Re: now you know

2000-08-05 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 8/5/00 11:02:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The ACLU did some less-than-honorable things during the high cold war. I am certain it would not do them again. Now they are taking tobacco money, aren't they? Are they? That's a different order of

Re: Re: Re: Re: now you know

2000-08-05 Thread Carrol Cox
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But there are other examples. Boesky. Millkan. I don't think there is a lot of disagreement on this thread, but one might note that Boesky was not among the *really* rich, and Millkan was a pretty special case. Not all billionaires are billionaires one might say.

Re: RE: Brad on Krugman

2000-08-05 Thread Max Sawicky
. . . But Krugman eventually argued that interest group politics would mean that true optimal policy would be rejected in favor of policies that helped powerful interest group. THerefore, it was best to support free trade not because it was, in theory, best but because free trade was better

Re: Re: Re: Re: now you know

2000-08-05 Thread michael
No, Justin, they are taking the tobacco money and defending the "free speech" of the drug merchants. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Civilians Suffer Under Decade-Long Sanctions in Iraq

2000-08-05 Thread Seth Sandronsky
Civilians Suffer Under Decade-Long Sanctions in Iraq August 6 marks the 10th year of the U.N. economic sanctions against Iraq. The sanctions, backed by the Bush and Clinton administrations, prevent Iraq, led by Saddam Hussein, from having normal economic relations with other nations. He

Re: Re: now you know

2000-08-05 Thread Jim Devine
At 09:26 AM 08/05/2000 -0400, you wrote: The ACLU did some less-than-honorable things during the high cold war. I am certain it would not do them again. never say never. They learned their lessons from the "high cold war," but they may learn new lessons from the current period or some future

Re: Soliciting policy

2000-08-05 Thread Max Sawicky
. . . But am I correct in saying that the Democrats also have a lot of money for the campaign, particularly for Congress? It is not impossible to have a result with a Republican president and a Democrat Congress. Yes. They're all well-oiled. If I had to bet now, it would be that the Dems

Re: Brad on Krugman (on Greider)

2000-08-05 Thread Timework Web
In the passage pasted belown, Brad describes as one of his "most favorite pieces of the book" -- and incidently the source of its title -- a "biting denunciation" of William Greider for being someone "whose thought is thus shaped by implicit, unexamined theories of which he is not conscious."

rich folks in prison {was: now you know}

2000-08-05 Thread Jim Devine
But there are other examples. Boesky. Millkan. Everyone will be glad to know that Michael Milken is out of prison, no longer wearing a toupee, and is using his still-abundant pot of money to buy back his reputation via charitable donations (there's a Milken (private) high school, the main

Ellman and Kontorovich on the fall of the USSR

2000-08-05 Thread Chris Burford
The below appears to be an argument for the importance of a continued centralising role of a communist party even in a more economically diverse economy. Does any one know the standing of Ellman and Kontorovich in economic circles or whether their books have had any credibility? Chris

McMurtry Article

2000-08-05 Thread Ken Hanly
John McMurty is a philosophy prof. He has written a book The Cancer Stage of Capitalism anticipating Timeworks' recent remark. CHeers, Ken Hanly ER2000-08-#02 A Failed Global Experiment: The Truth About the US Economic Model (Economic Reform, Vol. 12, No. 7 July 2000) The Civil

Re: rich folks in prison {was: now you know}

2000-08-05 Thread Michael Perelman
Keep in mind that Milkin helped to create the SL crisis, which cost a fortune. He served a bit more time than one of the Berrigans for tapping on a fighter plane; he got to keep most of his money; and he subsidizes conservative economics with his Milkin institute. Jim Devine wrote: I believe

Chomsky article

2000-08-05 Thread Ken Hanly
This is from Znet Cheers, Ken Hanly ZNET May 30, 2000 Unsustainable Non-Development By Noam Chomsky At a recent talk Chomsky was asked “What are the motivations of the U.S. push for sustainable development in the developing world?” Here was his answer… Its the first time I ever

Re: RE: Brad on Krugman

2000-08-05 Thread Jim Devine
At 09:01 PM 08/04/2000 +, you wrote: In a perverse way, Krugman is like those who know what is best for the working class (Krugman, the vanguard party economist, knows what is best for them) although what the working class wants is different from what Krugman (as economist for the vanguard

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: now you know

2000-08-05 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 8/5/00 12:09:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, Justin, they are taking the tobacco money and defending the "free speech" of the drug merchants. Are you aware of any ACLU lawsuits actually attacking restrictions on tobacco advertising? If there

Re: Civilians Suffer Under Decade-Long Sanctions in Iraq

2000-08-05 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 8/5/00 12:10:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: August 6 marks the 10th year of the U.N. economic sanctions against Iraq. It's also Hiroshima Day. --jks

Re: Ellman and Kontorovich on the fall of the USSR

2000-08-05 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 8/5/00 12:57:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does any one know the standing of Ellman and Kontorovich in economic circles or whether their books have had any credibility? In Sovietological circles, anyway, Ellman is considered one of the very

Re: rich folks in prison {was: now you know}

2000-08-05 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 8/5/00 12:34:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But there are other examples. Boesky. Millkan. Everyone will be glad to know that Michael Milken is out of prison, no longer wearing a toupee, and is using his still-abundant pot of money to buy back

Re: Re: now you know

2000-08-05 Thread Michael Perelman
http://www.aclu.org/news/n032498b.html here is a press release. You can look under tobacco and ACLU and find lots of stuff. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/5/00 12:09:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, Justin, they are taking the tobacco money and

Quotable

2000-08-05 Thread Max Sawicky
"Finally, there's the conservative camp, which includes, among others, former Congressional Budget Office Director Robert Reischauer of the Urban Institute, Henry Aaron of Brookings, and, well, me. After many years of watching official budget projections turn out to be too rosy and worrying that

re: now you know

2000-08-05 Thread Timework Web
Here's what ACLU legislative counsel, Solange Bitol, is quoted as saying in the press release: "No matter how well-meaning, government regulation may not restrict free speech in order to control the behavior of the public," Bitol said. "And, as the Supreme Court has recently

Re: McMurtry Article

2000-08-05 Thread Timework Web
Ken Hanly wrote, John McMurty is a philosophy prof. He has written a book The Cancer Stage of Capitalism anticipating Timeworks' recent remark. I've read reviews of McMurty's book and the metaphor sure hits the spot. I haven't had a chance to read the book itself, so I don't know to

ACLU

2000-08-05 Thread JKSCHW
Temps says: In a message dated 8/5/00 3:00:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The unspoken corrolary to that is that no matter how evil-intended, corporations-as-persons (forget about their state-granted charters, suckers) have an inalienable right (presumably under the

Civilians Suffer Under Decade-Long Sanctions in Iraq

2000-08-05 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
In a message dated 8/5/00 12:10:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: August 6 marks the 10th year of the U.N. economic sanctions against Iraq. It's also Hiroshima Day. --jks In Columbus, Ohio, Columbus Campaign for Arms Control the Interfaith Center for Peace will be

Beijing faces EC inquiry as insurers wait

2000-08-05 Thread Stephen E Philion
SCMP Saturday, August 5, 2000 Beijing faces EC inquiry as insurers wait SHEEL KOHLI in London

Re: ACLU

2000-08-05 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Justin says: However, you do know for sure is that if the state passes a law penalizing left speech, or the cops start harassing you for your political activity, the people to call are the ACLU and the NLG, and they will be there, whether you are a Stalinist, an anarchist, a revolutionary

Die Katzenjammerung

2000-08-05 Thread Timework Web
Rather than "the cancer stage of capitalism" perhaps Crapulism would be a more apt term. I know, it sounds like crap -- but it really refers to crapulence, drunkeness or a hangover. The allusion is to two brilliant passages in the 18th Brumaire, the first regarded the aesthetics of Bourgeois

Re: ACLU

2000-08-05 Thread Timework Web
JKSCHW wrote, The story below is pure innuendo. Maybe this person thought that red-baiting would work. Maybe he was wrong. You have no idea. I note, btw, that under no reading of any free speech right do you have any claim on the charitable resources of a private group. No. I

Convention Demonstrators Are Held on Very High Bail

2000-08-05 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
New York Times August 5, 2000 Convention Demonstrators Are Held on Very High Bail Lawyers Call Action Preventive Detention By FRANCIS X. CLINES PHILADELPHIA, Aug. 4 -- With bail being set as high as $1 million for protesters accused of blocking streets during the Republican National

energy cost question

2000-08-05 Thread Michael Perelman
How soon will high energy prices lead to a strident call to remove what environmental protections are left? Drill for oil everywhere to lower gasoline prices. Fill the country with nuclear reactors or coal-fired plants to lower electricity costs. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department

RE: Energy Cost Question

2000-08-05 Thread enilsson
Michael wrote: How soon will high energy prices lead to a strident call to remove what environmental protections are left? From today's LA Times: - Pollution Rules Tighten Squeeze on Power Supply California's already severe electricity squeeze could tighten further this summer if

Friedman, the crook

2000-08-05 Thread Michael Perelman
Robert Vienneau send me the address for the Friedman paper. http://wwwtlc1.murdoch.edu.au/teach/econs/wps/167.html I am sure that you will find much interesting stuff here. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL

Re: Re: Re: ACLU

2000-08-05 Thread Michael Perelman
Justin, the ACLU is probably 90% correct (my estimate). I don't think that we are aiming at it. The stand of the representative in Philadelphia is terrible. The tobacco case was abominable. http://www.tobacco.org/News/aclu11.96.html The above link gives some details about the abrupt change of

Re: Re: ACLU

2000-08-05 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 8/5/00 3:59:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We count on _you_ (= Justin Schwartz), but can we count on the ACLU in general? So, it all depends on which faction within the ACLU has power in each chapter national organization, no? As an

Re: Re: ACLU

2000-08-05 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 8/5/00 4:28:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No. I am still in possession of the file with all the correspondence, including the defamatory letter. I stated unequivocally that we will never know whether the red-baiting had any influence and I tagged

Re: Re: Re: Re: ACLU

2000-08-05 Thread JKSCHW
I have looked at this link and find the information in it disturbing. I will write the national ACLU about the matter. If you all are not ACLU members--and why not?--you should join and write too. You should know that, as with many affiliate-based groups with a national office, the NO does not

The world's greatest living guitarist

2000-08-05 Thread Louis Proyect
Last night (Aug. 4, 2000), I heard the greatest guitarist in the world. Performing at Town Hall as part of a 3 day festival of African music sponsored by the Knitting Factory, Ali Farka Toure and his 8 piece ensemble demonstrated why the musicians of contemporary Mali are in the vanguard of world