Re: soft landing?

2000-08-29 Thread Michael Perelman
Jim Devine wrote: The rapid obsolescence of hardware software (faster "moral" depreciation) means that the turnover time of capital is shorter. This in turn means that the same volume of profits implies a higher rate of profit. Of course, Jim, the higher depreciation is a deduction from

Re: Re: The IMF and the Presidential Candidates

2000-08-29 Thread Jim Devine
Ian posted the WSJ article about the IMF's lousy advice. Stiglitz also said that the IMF gives the US lousy advice and that the Council of Economic Advisors laughed at their recommendations. Other countries do not have that luxury. right. What's amazing is that the IMF seems to apply the same

AS/AD

2000-08-29 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
I apologize for giving such a flip answer to Doug's question. Showed my own frustration. But, I would like to follow up a bit more. Peter is probably right that the major focus on AS/AD does involve teaching econ and especially at the introductory level. For better or worse it has

Econ texts - possible to teach Marx seriously?

2000-08-29 Thread charlie
Is it possible to teach a Marxist theory of value today in an undergraduate course, as a matter of academic politics? One purpose of my new book, From Capitalism to Equality, is to offer a serious introduction to the theory and to show that it explains capitalist economies and gives you tools for

Re: Econ texts - possible to teach Marx seriously?

2000-08-29 Thread Brad De Long
Is it possible to teach a Marxist theory of value today in an undergraduate course, as a matter of academic politics? One purpose of my new book, From Capitalism to Equality... The problem, of course, is the labor theory of value is "true" and "operates" always and everywhere, while the

Re: AS/AD

2000-08-29 Thread Jim Devine
Barkley wrote: ... Let me mention one more aspect of this that may extend beyond just the confines of the principles of econ class. If you were following at all closely you may noticed me making a big deal about whether books were using a vertical AS curve or not. This assumption, increasingly

Re: Re: Econ texts - possible to teach Marx seriously?

2000-08-29 Thread Jim Devine
Brad writes: The problem, of course, is the labor theory of value is "true" and "operates" always and everywhere, while the relative stagnation of blue-, pink-, and low-level white-collar wages is a post-1973 phenomenon. I don't see the contradiction here. The key aspect of the "labor theory

Re: Re: Econ texts - possible to teach Marx seriously?

2000-08-29 Thread michael
Brad, are you saying that Marxian theory is necessarily linear, so that everything smoothly leads to a final contradiction? Is it possible to teach a Marxist theory of value today in an undergraduate course, as a matter of academic politics? One purpose of my new book, From Capitalism to

RE: Econ texts - possible to teach Marx seriously?

2000-08-29 Thread Eric Nilsson
Jim wrote Though this is true, it is very abstract. The phenomenon of the post-1973 stagnation of wages ...can be explained only at a lower level of abstraction. ...I would explain it in terms of the end of the nation-state-based "model" of capitalist accumulation which

Re: Econ texts - possible to teach Marx seriously?

2000-08-29 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
charlie, Let me say that I and many of us teach it anyway even in principles courses, but usually as a special topic, not as the main approach. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PEN-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 3:00 PM

Re: Econ texts - possible to teach Marx seriously?

2000-08-29 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
charlie, Damned difficult in most institutions in the US for a principles course these days. Not so difficult in other courses, such as contemporary issues or some other ones. Also depends a lot on the institution. A lot more acceptable in most countries outside the US, although,

1970s crisis

2000-08-29 Thread Jim Devine
WAS: Re: [PEN-L:944] RE: Econ texts - possible to teach Marx seriously? I wrote: Though this is true, it is very abstract. The phenomenon of the post-1973 stagnation of wages ...can be explained only at a lower level of abstraction. ...I would explain it in terms of the end of the

Re: Re: AS/AD

2000-08-29 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Jim, But usually this Say's Law argument is dragged in for the long run analysis. But, the new wave led by the execrable Mankiw (with even Colander now tagging along, bah) is to place this huge emphasis on long run growth. I imagine that Brad D. approves of this, given his ten billion year

Re: Re: Re: AS/AD -- QUERY

2000-08-29 Thread Carrol Cox
I don't know whether I missed posts in which AS/AD was expanded or whether everyone has presumed knowledge from the beginning. But what does AS/AD stand for? Carrol

Re: Re: Re: AS/AD

2000-08-29 Thread Jim Devine
At 05:14 PM 8/29/00 -0400, you wrote: usually this Say's Law argument [i.e., that saving promotes investment] is dragged in for the long run analysis. But, the new wave led by the execrable Mankiw (...) is to place this huge emphasis on long run growth. In the NATION magazine, there's an

Re: Re: AS/AD

2000-08-29 Thread Brad De Long
Barkley wrote: ... Let me mention one more aspect of this that may extend beyond just the confines of the principles of econ class. If you were following at all closely you may noticed me making a big deal about whether books were using a vertical AS curve or not. This assumption, increasingly

Re: Re: Re: AS/AD

2000-08-29 Thread Brad De Long
Jim, But usually this Say's Law argument is dragged in for the long run analysis. But, the new wave led by the execrable Mankiw (with even Colander now tagging along, bah) is to place this huge emphasis on long run growth. I imagine that Brad D. approves of this, given his ten billion

Widening the Concept of Value

2000-08-29 Thread Chris Burford
I agree with Jim Devine that the Marxian theory of value is relevant at a high level of abstraction. I also agree with his approach to analysing the shifts in wages and salaries that have occurred in recent decades. It is heartening that people are contemplating introducing value theory into

Dump all you want, we'll take more

2000-08-29 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
Monday August 28, 11:48 am Eastern Time WTO judges say U.S. should change anti-dumping law GENEVA, Aug 28 (Reuters) - World Trade Organisation (WTO) judges on Monday ruled that the United States must change a law which for 84 years has provided for civil and criminal penalties on foreign firms

Re: Re: Re: Re: AS/AD -- QUERY

2000-08-29 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Carrol, AS = aggregate supply and AD = aggregate demand. BTW, although I spent a lot of time in my repartee with that ex-hippie Peter Dorman, :-), on why or how AD slopes down, that is not a big deal for me, although it is if one wants to show a cost-push inflation. The more important

Sovereignty arbitrage

2000-08-29 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
TheStandard.com Fast, Cheap and Out of Control By Stewart Taggart Care to bank from a Pacific Island, store your online data in Scandinavia and pay taxes in Barbados? A nicer mix of financial secrecy, data privacy and low government levies would be hard to imagine. If this multijurisdictional

Oil pipeline to Vlora

2000-08-29 Thread Chris Burford
This little item joins up the oil strategy. The eurasian area must be tied into the European industrial area, preferably by providing cheap raw material like fuel. Note how the pipeline skirts Kosovo. BTW I agree of course that NATO must have contingency plans to invade again, or at least

Trepca mines takeover

2000-08-29 Thread Chris Burford
This was one of the pieces that did not get through earlier. An important economic development has occurred in Kosovo with the takeover by NATO of the Trepca mines complex. This is the most valuable asset in Kosovo. The conflict is in part a national one, since it appears from other sources

Re: intro macro text

2000-08-29 Thread Peter Dorman
Stretton's book is interesting but very idiosyncratic -- not suitable for the sort of course I want to teach. For me, there are two things I'm trying to accomplish, to improve student's understanding of how economies work, and to increase their ability to critique mainstream economics as an

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Re: Re: Re: AS/AD

2000-08-29 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: ... The key classical assumption that pervades economics (and, seemingly, Al Gore's mind) is not the assumption of continuous full employment but rather the version of Say's Law that says that increased saving (nowadays in the form of an increased government budget surplus) leads to

Capital Markets

2000-08-29 Thread JKSCHW
OK, I have a business-related question for anyone up on finance. What do capital markets do? A standard Marxist answer, as I take it, is that they redistribute surplus value from the immediate extractors to others, and while I suppose that is true as far as it goes, I am looking for a less

Free speech statements

2000-08-29 Thread Louis Proyect
Many people cc'd me their statements when they responded to the Nader volunteer coordinator. These statements reveal very strong understandings of the issues. I have put them up at: http://www.marxmail.org/freespeech.htm Except when they are made in an official capacity (Joel Kovel, Dave

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2000-08-29 Thread Michael Perelman
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Re: x

2000-08-29 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Perelman wrote: system pen-l Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] #unsubscribe pen-l Michael, you should pick a less obvious password, as any security consultant would tell you! Doug

Re: Re: x

2000-08-29 Thread michael
You are right. Or I should be less careless when I send messages. By the way, when does Colin return. I keep making changes and I want to give him the most recent version. Michael Perelman wrote: system pen-l Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] #unsubscribe pen-l Michael, you should pick a

Re: Query

2000-08-29 Thread Michael Perelman
Anthony could try Murray, Robin. 1977. "Value and Theory of Rent: Part One." Capital and Class, 3 (Autumn): pp. 100-22. Louis Proyect wrote: Hi Lou. Would you please post the following. Thank you for the long excerpt from Mandel on agriculture, and rent. I guess Mandel faithfully