Re: Re: Airline crashes and electromagnetic interference

2000-09-01 Thread Louis Proyect
She wrote an earlier article on the subject of the TWA flight. Was there any response/critique? -- Michael Perelman The only reference I could find was this article which quoted the NTSB as saying that such a cause was "extremely remote". The Boston Globe, July 14, 1998, Tuesday, City Edition

RE: Re: Econophysics

2000-09-01 Thread Keaney Michael
Ian wrote: Can anyone out there please point me in the direction of a bio of Pareto wherein his relationship to fascism is spelled out? MK replies: Don't know if anyone followed this up, but a few years ago I read a very useful book entitled "Modern Italian Social Theory" by Richard Bellamy,

BLS Daily Report

2000-09-01 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, THURSDAY, AUGUST 31, 2000 The index of leading economic indicators dipped 0.1 percent in July to mark the third monthly drop in a row, providing evidence of a cooling economy, the Conference Board said. The decline brought the composite index of leading indicators to 105.8

Re: RE: Re: Econophysics

2000-09-01 Thread Michael Perelman
Hirschman, Albert O. 1991. The Rhetoric of Reaction: Perversity, Futility, Jeopardy (Cambridge: Harvard University Press) covers the same crowd quite well. It is a thin book, but quite good for what it does. Keaney Michael wrote: Ian wrote: Can anyone out there please point me in the

Nafta article

2000-09-01 Thread Michael Perelman
I found this interesting in light of the Business Week comment that the tax law is not supposed to be subject to dispute. [The following is from the NY Times, Aug. 31.] Mexico Is Ordered to Pay a U.S. Company $16.7 Million By Anthony DePalma An international tribunal that worked behind closed

NAFTA/MTBE question

2000-09-01 Thread Michael Perelman
The article I just sent reminds us of the decision that Canada had to accept MTBE. In light of the earlier discussion about the value of Canadian water, has MTBE been turning up in the water much? -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel.

Re: Re: pomotismo

2000-09-01 Thread JKSCHW
The tend to put meaning(less) parentheses around parts of words, use terms like "discourse," "privilege," and "theorize" freely, dispise essentialism and "foundationalism," "valorize 'difference,'" and think ill of class analysis, science, or objectivity. They are armed, but not dangerous, or

Mill's Socialism

2000-09-01 Thread JKSCHW
This seems to be capitalism among co-ops. Maybe that is what Justin means by market socialism. Mill's musings on competition would please the most ardent free market capitalist. * * * Well, it's not the sort of market socialism I would advocate. As many of you know, I would get rid of private

Re: Re: RE: Re: Econophysics

2000-09-01 Thread JKSCHW
It's only "thin" in being concise. Most of Hirschman's writings are terse, elegant, concise, laconic, and crystalline. This is another of his marvels of compressed erudition. --jks In a message dated Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:16:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Pomotismo

2000-09-01 Thread Nicole Seibert
This question is actually put to everyone -- What are your feelings on Jean Baudrillard? I heard somewhere in my own department that he is not even a sociologist!? I found that amazing, but am not sure why a person would hold such beliefs. I think this is the group to explain to me why

Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Econophysics

2000-09-01 Thread michael
I thought that it was thin compared to his other books because the scope was narrow. It's only "thin" in being concise. Most of Hirschman's writings are terse, elegant, concise, laconic, and crystalline. This is another of his marvels of compressed erudition. --jks In a message dated Fri,

Pomotismo

2000-09-01 Thread JKSCHW
Hi, Nicole. As an objectivity groupie myself, I think Baudrillard's a fraud. I don't care if he's a "real" sociologist, in the sense of having a degree in the field or publishing in sociology journals. Lots of idiots have and do. B is not an idiot, but he regularly says foolish and

Re: Pomotismo

2000-09-01 Thread Jim Devine
Nico wrote: ... the pomos I know of do not look down on class analysis or science. In fact, they rather like the "coming to terms with its own unfirmness" science and the fluidity and function of class analysis. My experience is that pomos do look down on science, admiring literary criticism

Re: Re: Pomotismo

2000-09-01 Thread Jim Devine
an additional point: it seems to me that pomos confuse "truth" with the "Official Truth." (This is not an accusation against specific individuals as much as part of the a _definition_ of what I think of as postmodernism.) The latter -- the Official Truth -- is the nonsense pushed down our

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: David Neumark (really)

2000-09-01 Thread Doug Henwood
Max Sawicky wrote: If DN made inferences about black/white marginal productivity from a specification like this, I'm not sure I want him on my side. Yeah, but who cares about that? He's saying what the people who write grant checks want to hear. Doug

Re: nike college contracts

2000-09-01 Thread Peter Dorman
Funny you should ask. I am currently reading Naomi Klein's NO LOGO -- a fantastic book, which we're using for a political economy course this fall. On pp. 96-97: "In May 1996, students and faculty at the University of Wisconsin at Madison did find out what was in the text of a sponsorship deal

Re: Pomotismo

2000-09-01 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
It should be kept in mind that our good friend Doug Henwood is somewhat of a dialectical character. On the one hand he is the ultimate data wonk of the lists, the supreme datameister. Just the facts, ma'am. OTOH, it is easy to forget that once upon a time he was a grad student in

Re: Re: Pomotismo

2000-09-01 Thread Louis Proyect
I wouldn't waste too much time in a dust-up over postmodernism. It's pretty dead as an intellectual trend. A Lexis-Nexis search on "postmodernism" over the last 6 months turned up 26 articles. In the same period in 1990 there were 315 articles that satisfied this criterion. Other signs of the

bye for now, again

2000-09-01 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Well, folks, time for me to disappear again for awhile. Just too busy. Gotta go see if I can figure out how to teach AS/AD in a "non-anti-Keynesian" way, :-). Barkley Rosser http://cob.jmu.edu/rosserjb

Re: Re: Re: Pomotismo

2000-09-01 Thread Doug Henwood
I think people who comment on "pomos" should show some evidence of having read some, and should cite actual texts to make their points instead of impressions. But maybe I'm just being a stick-in-the-mud. Doug

Re: Re: Pomotismo

2000-09-01 Thread Doug Henwood
J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. wrote: It should be kept in mind that our good friend Doug Henwood is somewhat of a dialectical character. On the one hand he is the ultimate data wonk of the lists, the supreme datameister. Just the facts, ma'am. OTOH, it is easy to forget that once upon a

Re: Re: Re: Re: Pomotismo

2000-09-01 Thread Louis Proyect
I think people who comment on "pomos" should show some evidence of having read some, and should cite actual texts to make their points instead of impressions. But maybe I'm just being a stick-in-the-mud. Doug I have read lots of this stuff myself: Lyotard: The Postmodern Condition Derrida:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Pomotismo

2000-09-01 Thread Jim Devine
At 02:53 PM 9/1/00 -0400, you wrote: I think people who comment on "pomos" should show some evidence of having read some, and should cite actual texts to make their points instead of impressions. But maybe I'm just being a stick-in-the-mud. I totally agree. I agree that all theoretical

Re: Re: Re: pomotismo

2000-09-01 Thread Brad DeLong
They are armed, but not dangerous, or maybe it is the other way around. --jks Don't you mean: "They are 'armed', but not 'dangerous'"? Brd DeLong

Econ texts - possible to teach Marx seriously?

2000-09-01 Thread Brad DeLong
I asked PEN-L: Is it possible to teach a Marxist theory of value today in an undergraduate course, as a matter of academic politics? The first reply (if the daily digest is accurate) came from Brad DeLong. He did not discuss the question, but he went on in a revealing way. Apparently, he read

Re: Re: Re: Re: Pomotismo

2000-09-01 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: I think people who comment on "pomos" should show some evidence of having read some, and should cite actual texts to make their points instead of impressions. But maybe I'm just being a stick-in-the-mud. I agree. Butler's almost habitual failure to observe this

RE: Re: Pomotismo

2000-09-01 Thread Nicole Seibert
Hi Barkley, I must confess that I too got an English degree with a focus in Modernist Women's Literature. I find it strange now to be working on "applying" what I learned from the literature in sociology. (oops... was that pomo to apply the quotes?) Trying to transfer the criticism into

RE: Re: Pomotismo

2000-09-01 Thread Nicole Seibert
H...nothing like starting a big one on Labor Day weekend. I will start with Jim's response first since this (for me anyway) is the easiest for me to discuss. Hi Jim, Agree, agree, and agree. I think it is helpful to look back at what influenced the pomo I saw developing during the 1990s:

Re: Econ texts - possible to teach Marx seriously?

2000-09-01 Thread Michael Perelman
Brad DeLong wrote: Bullshit. You meant it as a personal attack. Brad, this is a bit over the top. He merely said that you commented on the book without without reading it. Your thought seems to have been that you didn't need to read it. There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with that

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pomotismo

2000-09-01 Thread Doug Henwood
Carrol Cox wrote: I agree. Butler's almost habitual failure to observe this elementary decency is the reason that I finally decided that she was a fraud. I have made this complaint about her frequently (in specific reference to her article in NLR) on several different maillists but no defender

Re: RE: Re: Pomotismo

2000-09-01 Thread enilsson
RE I must confess that I too got an English degree ... I can't take the pressure any more... I must confess that I too have a degree in English Lit. Please forgive me. I was young and didn't know what I was doing. Eric

Re: Econ texts - possible to teach Marx seriously?

2000-09-01 Thread enilsson
Brad wrote, You look at countries over time, and the principal changes in real wages and standards of living are differences in aggregate productivity levels--not differences in the distribution of the product between land, labor, and capital. Sticking to the US case: the real wages of

RE: Re: Re: Re: Pomotismo

2000-09-01 Thread Nicole Seibert
What about the postmodern texts: Paige: Coffee and Power Castells: The Power of Identity and others in the series Held et al: Global Transformations Geertz: The Interpretation of Cultures And don't forget Foucault, Deleuze, Kristeva, Lacan, Hillman and Hegel.

Re: Re:Pomotismo

2000-09-01 Thread Louis Proyect
Judith Butler: 12. So I have more to say. I just want to say this too. What ever happened to all that great work in Marxist economic anthropology--I don't know, I read all this fabulous stuff, Karl Polyani, and Marshall Sahlins' work, and others, the historical work of Marc Bloch and others

Re: Random thoughts on Big Brother, advertising and the Internet

2000-09-01 Thread phillp2
Louis, This is an interesting comment and one that should be recognized more by labour economists. A number of years ago (many numbers) I was passing a campaign office of the NDP for an election that had been called, unexpectedly, just days before. I dropped in and to my surprise saw an

Kohl sinking even faster...

2000-09-01 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
[Have to wonder how many offshore accounts the Republicrats have?] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/World/Europe/2000-09/architect020900.shtml Kohl's offshore funds architect 'laundered drugs cash' 2 September 2000 A close friend of Helmut Kohl, who helped set up the former German

Re: Pomotismo

2000-09-01 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
My response is 1) the truth is individual, 2) objectivity is impossible (including in the argument I just created) and 3) accepting our "man-made" god means accepting ourselves and trusting in our own magic. Why do academic work at all: 1) because it is fun, 2) it is the healthiest thing for our

The Internet Anti-Fascist: Friday, 1 Sep 2000 -- 4:71 (#464)

2000-09-01 Thread Paul Kneisel
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Re: Pomotismo

2000-09-01 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
From Justin to Nicole: I find your objection to essentialsim and foundationalsim confused, and not just because you dot say what you mean by these terms. It's rather because you seem to fall into a self-reference problem common to those espouse pomo skepticism or relativism. You say that

Econ texts - possible to teach Marx seriously?

2000-09-01 Thread Brad DeLong
Brad DeLong wrote: Bullshit. You meant it as a personal attack. Brad, this is a bit over the top. He merely said that you commented on the book without without reading it. Your thought seems to have been that you didn't need to read it. My, my... I wasn't *asked* to read the book. And

Re: Re: Re: Re: Pomotismo

2000-09-01 Thread Brad DeLong
I think people who comment on "pomos" should show some evidence of having read some, and should cite actual texts to make their points instead of impressions. But maybe I'm just being a stick-in-the-mud. Doug No, but you are being pre-post-modernist. Imposing the grid of explicit text-citing

Re: Econ texts - possible to teach Marx seriously?

2000-09-01 Thread michael
Brad, the Cliff Notes statement was wrong, but I thought that you jumped it up a couple of notches. Brad DeLong wrote: Bullshit. You meant it as a personal attack. Brad, this is a bit over the top. He merely said that you commented on the book without without reading it. Your

Re: Re: Re: Re: Pomotismo

2000-09-01 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Doug, No need for you and I to go at it again, mate. Shouldn't really have posted that vehement rant, but I was just back from a wet lunch. Being Friday'n'all. To quote one or two now would look like I'm just picking particularly crappy bits for my own ends ... speaking of which! What

Random thoughts on Big Brother, advertising and the Internet

2000-09-01 Thread Louis Proyect
Yesterday as I was recounting the feud on alt.politics.socialism.trotsky which led to my being victimized at work, a friend politely but firmly insisted I needed a psychotherapist. Leaving aside the question of why I would want to throw 100 dollars down the toilet each week, I tried to explain to

Re: RE: Re: Re: pomotismo

2000-09-01 Thread Rob Schaap
Nice one, Eric! This quote fits nicely, too. Apologies to Giddens-haters (I feel your pain; for an anti-pomoista, he can write awful wank, and be politically awfully uncommitted - unless you consider 'The Third Way' a mode of commitment, I s'pose), but here 'tis: "Postmodernism, if it means