Re: Capitalism as slavery and colonialism

2000-11-01 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/31/00 11:52AM At 09:45 AM 10/31/00 -0600, you wrote: Enslavement was no longer (historically!) necessary for fulfilling conditions of capitalism's existence and reproduction, however. I figured out why I reacted viscerally to the phrase "Enslavement was historically

Fwd: Nezavisnost and the European Trade Union Confederation

2000-11-01 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:18:41 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Nezavisnost and the European Trade Union Confederation The American SWP, the British SWP and presumably the Australian DSP are all feeling rapturous about the emergence of an "independent"

E. Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-11-01 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Ricardo: This is over The subject is exhausted. That depends on how much depth a person wants. I think I have said something different in every post except when clarity required it. I was just about to examine Wood's argument in light of some recent research - sources which no one has

Fw: Ralph the Leninist

2000-11-01 Thread Max Sawicky
Regarding a Slate column claiming RN is trying to cause a Gore defeat . . . [The piece raises two questions: 1) Is this really Ralph's strategy? and 2) Is it correct?] No and no. I noted before the difference between saying Bush and Gore are the same and a "worse the better" posture.

RE: Re: Marx, Slavery, Economic Backwardness

2000-11-01 Thread Forstater, Mathew
Yoshie: Erase _contradiction_ from history as you (unlike Marx, Eric Williams, John Ashworth, Thomas Laqueur) do, and you can't explain any _change_ (from one mode of production to another, as well as within one mode of production). ==

RE: following this debate, who you all voting for?

2000-11-01 Thread Mikalac Norman S NSSC
i'm voting at the Fire Station on Wilson Blvd in Rosslyn (Arlington) around 6:30 a.m., so if you have an anarchist friend there, give me his/her name and i'll introduce myself. however, i will appreciate it if he/she does not burn down the Fire Station until after my Nader vote is tallied. norm

Re: To the moderator: please unsub me

2000-11-01 Thread Brad De Long
I am sorry to see you go. I may not agree with you often, but I do need to hear voices like yours--and the way the world works now I don't hear them often enough... Brad DeLong

Re: E. Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-11-01 Thread Michael Perelman
Ricardo, over means over. The difference between the threads is that this one is personal. If anyone wants to read your article, they know where to look On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 09:21:00AM -0400, Ricardo Duchesne wrote: Ricardo: This is over The subject is exhausted. That depends

Re: Marx, Slavery, Economic Backwardness

2000-11-01 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/01/00 01:51AM Mat: I don't seem to be able to get this message through, probably I am just not being clear, but *when I refer to the Enslavement Industry and Trade I in no way am limiting that to the southern plantations*. So the total system has to be considered. The

RE: Re: Marx, Slavery, Economic Backwardness

2000-11-01 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/01/00 09:25AM For example, we can understand the transition from Reconstruction-era institutions to Jim Crow as a change in the nature of the capitalist racial formation, rooted partly in requirements of capitalism, but without reductionism or economism. Denying that the

Fwd: NEWS: Ad Insult to Injury

2000-11-01 Thread Jim Devine
forwarded from SLATE magazine: Another new [TV] ad is flagged near the bottom of the Post lead: a new one for Ralph Nader that parodies Monster.com spots in which children say what they want to be when they grow up. Sample lines: "I want to be lied to." "I want to be apathetic." "I want to

Re: Capitalism as slavery and colonialism

2000-11-01 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/01/00 04:03AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/31/00 11:52AM At 09:45 AM 10/31/00 -0600, you wrote: Enslavement was no longer (historically!) necessary for fulfilling conditions of capitalism's existence and reproduction, however. I figured out why I reacted viscerally to the

Re: Fwd: NEWS: Ad Insult to Injury

2000-11-01 Thread Doug Henwood
Jim Devine wrote: BTW, is there any chance that there's some overlap between the people who criticized Nader 4 years ago for not making a serious campaign and those who now criticize him for making a serious campaign? Both views seem to have been expressed in the [US] NATION magazine.

P.K. O'Brien on why Britain industrialized long before France

2000-11-01 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Ok - though I thought I was being a reasonably good fellow, fair and sensitive to the intricacies of Wood's argument - I will make no further references to Wood or Brenner in the next few postings. Perhaps I am, at times, curt and ungracious (uncivil?). But this is not because I am bullish,

New Nader ads

2000-11-01 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
at least somebody is using comedy in the campaign NADER CAMPAIGN UNVEILS NEW TELEVISION AND RADIO AD CAMPAIGN WASHINGTON, D.C., Oct. 31 - Ralph Nader's surging campaign today introduced his latest radio and television spots. [ads below] In the new 30-second television message and

BLS Daily Report

2000-11-01 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, OCTOBER 31, 2000 RELEASED TODAY: In September 2000, there were 936 mass layoff actions by employers as measured by new filings for unemployment insurance benefits during the month. Each action involved at least 50 persons from a single establishment, and the number

Using tax policy to create comparative advantage

2000-11-01 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
[that's 4.5 billion $$ a year] Wednesday November 1 12:48 PM ET Senate Passes Export Tax Measure By CURT ANDERSON, AP Tax Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - The Senate passed a $4.5 billion export tax measure Wednesday that would replace a law ruled an illegal trade subsidy by the World Trade

Re: New Nader ads

2000-11-01 Thread Jim Devine
At 11:20 AM 11/1/00 -0800, you wrote: at least somebody is using comedy in the campaign How naive! what these Nader folks don't understand it that it's _fear_ that motivates people to vote for Gore! and people seem to be preferring Bush because when you've got the choice between a

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: voting for Nader

2000-11-01 Thread Brad DeLong
Brad writes: So let's elect George W. Bush rather than Al Gore? That does not follow... In general, I'm saying that both of them are corporate toadies, so there's no reason to vote for either. But that was not what I was saying in this specific thread. This specific thread is saying that Gore

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: voting for Nader

2000-11-01 Thread Brad DeLong
I wonder if people who were organizing big anti-war [in Vietnam] demonstrations... worried _ahead of time_ that their movements would "crash and burn." They should have. Chicago in 1968 elected Richard Nixon president... Brad DeLong

Nader Paradox and the odds

2000-11-01 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Doug, [to pen-l folks, yes, I am back for awhile] Actually I can vote for Nader without any Gore loss guilt. Virginia is solid for Bush. Also, there will be no Nader Paradox effect in my congressional district as the incumbent Repug is unopposed. There might be one in the local Senate

American Indians debate Nader

2000-11-01 Thread Louis Proyect
(From Mitchel Cohen, a Green Party activist) A supporter of Leonard Peltier has asked Ralph Nader to step down and endorse Gore. This is a response from Day Starr Chou, of the Flushing Greens and the No Spray Coalition* (forwarded by Mitchel Cohen). * Does not imply that the No Spray Coalition