Re: Is Racism in the Interest of White Workers?

2001-03-09 Thread Margaret Coleman
I agree with the Reich saying that racism is not in the ultimate interest of the working class as a whole -- BUT this idea is far from unique to Reich, it is probably one of the few ideas which lefties and marxists have a very general agreement with!! Beyond that general idea, I think there are

Re: RE: Racism in the Interest of White Workers?

2001-03-09 Thread Margaret Coleman
Just to add one quick comment to Matt's comments on Becker: The other thing Becker and all those other human capital theorists refuse to incorporate into their theories is the concept of power. As long as everyone is equal, then the entire fault for unequal treatment in the labor market falls to

Re: RE: Re: Re: s Racism in the Interest of White Worker s?

2001-03-09 Thread Margaret Coleman
I think we have a definitional disagreement -- when I say racism is irrational in the long run, I mean in the sense that most people would be better off without racist policies. When I say most people better off, I mean that we would all be starting on a more level playing field which would use

Re: RE: Re: Is Racism in the Interest of White Workers?

2001-03-09 Thread Margaret Coleman
I'm not sure if the ergonomic rules' repeals is as sexist as it seems at first glance, for once I think this affects workers across the board regardless of demographics. While we most associate carpal tunnel (albiet only one repetetive injury) with female work such as chicken farms and office

Seth S. question

2001-03-09 Thread Seth Sandronsky
Pen-l: A March 8 MSNBC news report says that Japan's public debt ($5.4 trillion) as a proportion of GDP is about 130 percent. What is the U.S. public debt in dollar terms and percentage of GDP? Please reply to me off-list. With advance thanks, Seth Sandronsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Japan Finances Nearly `Catastrophic,' Official Says

2001-03-09 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Times, March 9, 2001 Japan Finances Nearly `Catastrophic,' Official Says By STEPHANIE STROM TOKYO, March 8 - Japan's finance minister, Kiichi Miyazawa, stunned his political colleagues and the financial markets alike today by testifying before Parliament that the government's finances were

Congressman denounces Pacifica board

2001-03-09 Thread Louis Proyect
Official Text of Rep. Major Owens speech in Congress on 3/8/01 regarding WBAI and Pacifica == RADIO FREE SPEECH IS BEING DENIED IN NEW YORK CITY Mr. Speaker, tyrants in control of totalitarian countries like China, Serbia and Iraq consider control of the airwaves an

RE: Re: RE: Racism in the Interest of White Workers?

2001-03-09 Thread Forstater, Mathew
Actually, the Becker I model is set up as a neoclassical trade model, with W and N (I kid you not) the two trading groups. The Ws are relatively capital-abundant and the Ns are relatively labor-abundant. This is the only difference, except that some Ws have a 'taste' for maintaining distance from

RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: s Racism in the Interest of White Worker s?

2001-03-09 Thread Forstater, Mathew
Maggie - By the same reasoning that "most people would be better off without racist policies" one could argue that capitalists would be better off without capitalism. I think that one could definitely argue that in the long run, capitalists would be better off with socialism. But that's not what

Re: Re: Is Racism in the Interest of White Workers?

2001-03-09 Thread Jim Devine
At 07:25 AM 3/9/01 -0600, you wrote: I agree with the Reich saying that racism is not in the ultimate interest of the working class as a whole -- BUT this idea is far from unique to Reich, it is probably one of the few ideas which lefties and marxists have a very general agreement with!!

Taxes and Health; how to convert a conservative

2001-03-09 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
Published on Friday, March 9, 2001 in the International Herald Tribune A Conservative Convert To Socialized Medicine by David Burgess PARIS - What's the old joke? A conservative is a liberal who has just been mugged? Well, I am a conservative who has just been "mugged" by the socialized French

Re: RE: Racism in the Interest of White Workers?

2001-03-09 Thread Jim Devine
Mat wrote: ... The neo-Marxist/bargaining power/radical political economy tradition of Reich et al. take the position that racism is not in the interests of white workers. That's not true. They argue that racism is not in the long-term, collective, objective, interest of white workers

Racism in the Interest of White Workers?

2001-03-09 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/08/01 06:46PM The Becker position is that capitalists with a "taste" for discrimination have to pay a premium for white only. So those who don't discriminate have lower labor costs and higher profits. ((( CB: To Becker: Capitalists who discriminate have a ready

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: s Racism in the Interest of Whit e Worker s?

2001-03-09 Thread Jim Devine
Mat wrote: Maggie - By the same reasoning that "most people would be better off without racist policies" one could argue that capitalists would be better off without capitalism. I think that one could definitely argue that in the long run, capitalists would be better off with socialism. But

more on Reich

2001-03-09 Thread Jim Devine
For those who set up a battle between Reich and Botwinnick (et al.) concerning white workers gaining from racism, look at pages 206-7 of Reich's RACIAL INEQUALITY. "if a racial disparity in wages can be created ... the privileged group [the whites] and the disadvantaged group [the blacks]

racism discussion

2001-03-09 Thread Michael Perelman
Rather than talking to each other about this racism question, which seems to be going around in circles, maybe we should learn to put our ideas in a way that people can understand them clearly. Maggie talks about her experience with the racist or sexist union man -- how they developed mutual

Re: racism discussion/practice

2001-03-09 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/09/01 12:44PM Rather than talking to each other about this racism question, which seems to be going around in circles, maybe we should learn to put our ideas in a way that people can understand them clearly. Maggie talks about her experience with the racist or sexist

Re: racism discussion

2001-03-09 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Perelman wrote: Rather than talking to each other about this racism question, which seems to be going around in circles, maybe we should learn to put our ideas in a way that people can understand them clearly. Maggie talks about her experience with the racist or sexist union man -- how

RE: Racism in the Interest of White Workers?

2001-03-09 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/08/01 07:00PM Chas. - Sorry, I was confusing. The neo-Marxist/bargaining power/radical political economy tradition of Reich et al. take the position that racism is not in the interests of white workers. The classical Marxist/reserve army/fundamentalist tradition of

Re: Re: racism discussion/practice

2001-03-09 Thread Doug Henwood
Charles Brown wrote: I think it goes back to what Yoshie emphasized on LBO-Talk at first; don't go around telling white workers racism is an economic advantage to them. Even though it may be, at least in the achievable short term? You Yoshie are acting as if the case is closed, when it's

racism discussion/practice

2001-03-09 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/09/01 02:12PM Charles Brown wrote: I think it goes back to what Yoshie emphasized on LBO-Talk at first; don't go around telling white workers racism is an economic advantage to them. Even though it may be, at least in the achievable short term? You Yoshie are acting

FW: [baker-data-commentary] JOBS BYTE, 3/9/01

2001-03-09 Thread Richardson_D
Jobs Byte, 3/9/01 By Dean Baker Jobs Byte is published each month upon release of the Bureau of Labor Statistics' employment report. For more information or to subscribe by fax or email contact the Center for Economic and Policy research at 202 293-5380 ext. 206, or send a "subscribe

BLS Daily Report

2001-03-09 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, FRIDAY, MARCH 9, 2001: RELEASED TODAY: "The Employment Situation: February 2001" indicates that the unemployment rate held at 4.2 percent in February, and total nonfarm employment rose by 135,000. Large job losses continued in manufacturing, where employment declined

RE: Re: racism discussion/practice

2001-03-09 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
CB: I think it goes back to what Yoshie emphasized on LBO-Talk at first; don't go around telling white workers racism is an economic advantage to them. The unique contribution of left economists, as economists, is whenever they discuss the matter, they should emphasize

RE: Re: racism discussion

2001-03-09 Thread Forstater, Mathew
rhonda williams' "primer" on race, class, and gender, is very plain speaking. i can e-mail it to anyone interested. the arguments about persistent wage differentials in Botwinick, Mason, Williams are a bit technical, although I think interesting, but the basic issue is not rocket science: all the

RE: Re: racism discussion/practice

2001-03-09 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/09/01 03:52PM CB: I think it goes back to what Yoshie emphasized on LBO-Talk at first; don't go around telling white workers racism is an economic advantage to them. The unique contribution of left economists, as economists, is whenever they discuss

racism discussion

2001-03-09 Thread Charles Brown
Mat, From what I can tell , Williams , Darity, Mason , Cotton and Botwinick do not include in their balancing of the advantages against disadvantages of racism to white workers the fact that the socialist revolution is undermined by racism. They only compare benefits and costs to white

Bush Blocks Northwest Air Strike

2001-03-09 Thread sabri oncu
Bush Blocks Northwest Air Strike Orders 60-Day Cooling-Off Period in Mechanics Dispute By Steve Holland WASHINGTON, March 9, Reuters - Vowing to "protect the flying public," President George W. Bush on Friday blocked a looming strike by Northwest Airlines mechanics for 60 days and said he

wsj on British privatization

2001-03-09 Thread Michael Perelman
March 9, 2001 Caught Between Capitalism and Socialism, Public Services Are Crumbling in Britain By MARC CHAMPION Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL ASHTON-UNDER-LYNE, England -- Craig Plenkett's lips slowly form the words displayed on the overhead-projector screen: "Which farm is the

Re: Re: Re: racism discussion/practice

2001-03-09 Thread Rob Schaap
Doug Henwood wrote: Charles Brown wrote: I think it goes back to what Yoshie emphasized on LBO-Talk at first; don't go around telling white workers racism is an economic advantage to them. Even though it may be, at least in the achievable short term? You Yoshie are acting as if the

Re: wsj on British privatization

2001-03-09 Thread Christian Gregory
As a result, the government can't afford schools and hospitals of the same quality as those in Germany and France. Yet, even after cutting taxes substantially below the European average and freeing its labor markets from a union armlock, Britain hasn't seen nearly the sort of payoff the

Fwd: Organizing for Democracy and Power, on the Job and in the Union

2001-03-09 Thread sabri oncu
Just forwarding this. Sabri Subj:Thursday 3/15 Date: 3/9/01 10:03:05 PM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Noyes) Friends, please circulate. Thanks, Matt Noyes Thursday, March 15th, 6-9pm at AUD in Brooklyn:

Greider on the brave new world of DC trade politics

2001-03-09 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
[Full piece at: http://thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20010326s=greider ] FEATURE STORY | March 26, 2001 Trading With the Enemy by WILLIAM GREIDER A new season of trade politics is under way among Washington insiders, with an astonishing twist: America's major multinational corporations are