Grundrisse and combined and uneven development

2001-06-21 Thread Chris Burford
Could anyone give the precise reference in the Grundrisse to this concept? Many thanks. Chris Burford London

Current implications for South Africa

2001-06-21 Thread Chris Burford
To extract from Patrick Bond's long post of 20th June: > One work from the left ANC tradition (which >I had the privilege to edit), Mzwanele Mayekiso's >Township Politics: Civic Struggles for a New >South Africa (New York, Monthly Review, 1996), >makes a plausible case that many more insur

Re: Angel of History (was Re: Geras vs Laclau)

2001-06-21 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
>You don't have to call yourself a Marxist, wave red flags, talk the >language of early 20th century Russian political organizing, to be a >socialist. In fact, it's probably best not to do so. It just turns >off the people you want to organize, as you know. Mainly it's a >religious thing for p

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Re: Relevance

2001-06-21 Thread LeoCasey
There is a relationship of these debates over modes of production, South Africa, etc. to politics, but it is a highly mediated relationship. Take, for example, the suggestion that Trotsky's formulation of "uneven and combined development" is the best way to conceive of South African development

The Fed and the Dollar

2001-06-21 Thread David Shemano
Regarding the prior and current discussion of Fed policy, the "high dollar," etc., please read the attached Jude Wanniski column from today entitled "Greenspan Undermines the AFL-CIO!!," the title of which alone may perk the interest of some of you. http://www.polyconomics.com/

international vs. domestic domination

2001-06-21 Thread Jim Devine
[was: Re: [PEN-L:13810] RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: S. Africa/mode of prod. debate] At 05:46 PM 6/21/01 -0500, you wrote: >I have no problem with uneven and combined development paradigm, O'Connor's >piece in the Race and Class special issue on ecological crisis was >convincing to >me, but I have never

Re: RE: energy crisis

2001-06-21 Thread Jim Devine
At 09:47 PM 6/21/01 +0100, you wrote: > > it's possible that if Greenspan keeps lowering rates, the U.S. > > economy will > > suddenly spurt forward. In that case, he'll have to raise them again to > > avoid inflation, which has always been his main concern. Isn't this one > > reason why Uncle Mi

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: red flags

2001-06-21 Thread Margaret Coleman
Bread and Roses?? maggie Jim Devine wrote: > checking out the British Labour Party on the web, they seem to have dropped > the red flag as their symbol (replacing it with a red rose -- with thorns?) > but not the red flag anthem. > > Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jde

"Fast Track" hearings 6-20

2001-06-21 Thread Ian Murray
< http://www.senate.gov/~finance/hr062001.htm > You have to click/read the Committee members statements first or else you'll get a connection failure message. I'm posting because they invited John Sweeney to speak and his testimony is available. Ian

RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: S. Africa/mode of prod. debate

2001-06-21 Thread Forstater, Mathew
I have no problem with uneven and combined development paradigm, O'Connor's piece in the Race and Class special issue on ecological crisis was convincing to me, but I have never understood the debates between, e.g., world systems on the one hand and dependency theory on the other, or underdevelopm

Re: Re: relevance

2001-06-21 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Perelman wrote: >I don't see biotechnology creating a wave of enthusiasm >comparable to the Internet. But, to be fair, you probably wouldn't have seen the wave of enthusiasm about the Internet either. Not that anyone could, but betting against things for capital to enthuse about is gen

Re: RE: Re: Re: S. Africa/mode of prod. debate

2001-06-21 Thread Tim Bousquet
Almost exactly the same thing happened to indigenous Californians. While I think you could argue that the Spanish/Mexican missions were pre-capitalist (?), Indians in the northern interior had no contact with them, and seem little affected. Unlike in eastern states, for example, the horse did not

Re: 35 hour work week

2001-06-21 Thread Tom Walker
Thanks to Ian Murray for forwarding the John Lichfield story to pen-l. It never ceases to amuse me that the theme of shorter working hours consistently sparks little or no response from progressive economists. For the record, anyway, here is a note I sent to Charlotte Thorne of the Industrial Soci

RE: Re: Re: S. Africa/mode of prod. debate

2001-06-21 Thread Forstater, Mathew
In East Africa, for example, an area of relatively late formal colonization (turn of last century), the Maasai and other pastoralists were often put forward by British 'explorers' etc. as a people frozen from an 'ancient' time, i.e., unaffected by the 'modern' (capitalist) world. In fact, however,

Who said miracle? was RE: relevance

2001-06-21 Thread Stephen E Philion
Michael asked Mark: > > Isn't this getting pretty personal, Mark? > Mark responded: > No, it's a reflection of exchanges Doug and I have had from time to time. I > hope that Doug's question will indeed open up a discussion about what is > relevant, and why. For my part, I'm saying inter alia: Th

RE: energy crisis

2001-06-21 Thread Mark Jones
Jim Devine wrote: > > > >>why is there this slowdown that the Fed > >>can't help by reducing rates? > > > >Because it's more of a 19th century slowdown than a post-WW II > one, with a > >financial hangover from the burst Nasdaq/tech bubble, and a real sector > >one from overinvestment in gadgets.

Bush meets with his employers

2001-06-21 Thread Ian Murray
[NYT] June 21, 2001 Business Leaders Visit Bush at White House By STEPHEN LABATON WASHINGTON, June 20 - As the White House defended several recent private meetings with corporate executives who have important issues before the government, scores of other executives from the Business Roundtable ca

relevance

2001-06-21 Thread Charles Brown
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/21/01 03:51PM >>> Michael Perelman wrote: >I don't disagree with you about the new economy. I have a section in my >new book that says pretty much what you say, but the way you said it might >seem offensive to Doug. I hope not. He is usually a good sport. That's me,

rate cuts

2001-06-21 Thread Jim Devine
[was: Re: [PEN-L:13799] Re: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: relevance] At 04:06 PM 6/21/01 -0400, you wrote: >Mark Jones wrote: > >>why is there this slowdown that the Fed >>can't help by reducing rates? > >Because it's more of a 19th century slowdown than a post-WW II one, with a >financial hangover fr

Re: relevance

2001-06-21 Thread Michael Perelman
Yes, yes, yes. This is important. And I would love to see us address the degree that resource constraints are binding in the short-run. Ricardo has been talking about resource constraints in China. Just this morning, Tim passed on the report about California and global warming and water. Ener

Re: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: relevance

2001-06-21 Thread Doug Henwood
Mark Jones wrote: >why is there this slowdown that the Fed >can't help by reducing rates? Because it's more of a 19th century slowdown than a post-WW II one, with a financial hangover from the burst Nasdaq/tech bubble, and a real sector one from overinvestment in gadgets. It's probably going

Joseph Petulla

2001-06-21 Thread Louis Proyect
The AGRIBUSINESS EXAMINER Monitoring Corporate Agribusiness From a Public Interest Perspective A.V. Krebs Editor\Publisher Issue #120 June 21, 2001 A MEMORIAL: JOSEPH PETULLA "He whom you love and lose is no longer where he was before. He is now wherever you are." ---

RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: relevance

2001-06-21 Thread Mark Jones
Doug Henwood wrote: > That's me, Mr Sport! I'm used to Mark, I can take it. So coming straight to the point, why is there this slowdown that the Fed can't help by reducing rates? Mark

RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: relevance

2001-06-21 Thread Mark Jones
Michael Perelman: > > > I don't disagree with you about the new economy. I have a section in my > new book that says pretty much what you say, but the way you said it might > seem offensive to Doug. I hope not. He is usually a good sport. I like to think of any needles I unintentionally insert

Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: relevance

2001-06-21 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Perelman wrote: >I don't disagree with you about the new economy. I have a section in my >new book that says pretty much what you say, but the way you said it might >seem offensive to Doug. I hope not. He is usually a good sport. That's me, Mr Sport! I'm used to Mark, I can take it.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: red flags

2001-06-21 Thread Jim Devine
checking out the British Labour Party on the web, they seem to have dropped the red flag as their symbol (replacing it with a red rose -- with thorns?) but not the red flag anthem. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

Re: RE: Re: RE: relevance

2001-06-21 Thread Michael Perelman
I don't disagree with you about the new economy. I have a section in my new book that says pretty much what you say, but the way you said it might seem offensive to Doug. I hope not. He is usually a good sport. On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 08:32:40PM +0100, Mark Jones wrote: > Michael Perelman wrot

Re: Re: Re: Re: red flags

2001-06-21 Thread Michael Pugliese
Lenin's Embalmers Ilya Zbarsky Samuel Hutchinson Barbara Bray (Translator) Between 1924 and the fall of communism in 1991, hundreds of millions of visitors paid their respects to the embalmed body of Lenin and, later, that of Stalin. Professor Ilya Zbarsky - son of Boris Zbarsky who, with profes

red flag anthem Labour Party

2001-06-21 Thread Michael Pugliese
http://www.google.com/search?q=red+flag+anthem+Labour+Party

Re: Re: Re: red flags

2001-06-21 Thread Michael Pugliese
Think so. Either under Kinnock or Blair. Clause 4 went out the door during Kinnock ouster of the Militant tendency. And, btw, in a renewal letter from NLR, a few years ago, they said, Robin Cook, was a subscriber until the time he entered the Blair cabinet... Michael Pugliese - Original

Re: Re: Re: Foucault, Marx, Poulantzas

2001-06-21 Thread Michael Perelman
Ricardo's not was not one of the worst by a long shot, but I am afraid that my hand has not been heavy enough. I do appreciate your note. If others would respond to provocations the way you did, we would not have any problems. What Brad called the tit-for-tat approach, unfortunately, is the nor

Re: Re: Re: red flags

2001-06-21 Thread Justin Schwartz
No, and the Russians haven't taken Lenin's tomb out of Red Square, either. --jks > >At 02:36 PM 6/21/01 -0400, you wrote: >>BTW, the JCP's [Japanese Communist Party's] daily newspaper is still >>called Akahata [Red Flag], even though it ceased to be revolutionary a >>long time ago > >has the Bri

Re: Re: red flags

2001-06-21 Thread Jim Devine
At 02:36 PM 6/21/01 -0400, you wrote: >BTW, the JCP's [Japanese Communist Party's] daily newspaper is still >called Akahata [Red Flag], even though it ceased to be revolutionary a >long time ago has the British Labour Party dropped its "red flag" anthem? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://

Re: Re: Foucault, Marx, Poulantzas

2001-06-21 Thread Justin Schwartz
Michael, I appreciate your concern with civility, but you are too heavy handed in this case. There's nothing personal or ad hominem here; my exasperation is purely with the level of reasoning and lack of progress in the argument. And I take it that Ricardo's exasperation with my my naivete abo

Re: RE: relevance

2001-06-21 Thread Michael Perelman
Mark Jones wrote: > I don't think it's so much a debate about the origins as about the > destination of capitalism, and also about what kind of politics we should be > arguing for. yes, but much of the argument gets off track. > On the general question of relevance, for some years now you and

Re: red flags & reformism

2001-06-21 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Jim says: >[was: Re: [PEN-L:13751] Re: Re: Angel of History (was Re: Geras vs Laclau)] > >Justin writes: >>You don't have to call yourself a Marxist, wave red flags, talk the >>language of early 20th century Russian political organizing, to be >>a socialist. In fact, it's probably best not to d

Re: RE: relevance

2001-06-21 Thread Louis Proyect
>We have, therefore, to get used to a period of sharply-reduced corporate >profitability and lower investment returns and this poses a serious >challenge for the City. Fund managers will find that generating high >investment returns will be a lot harder in the next 10 years than in the >last 10. >

National Public Radio coverage of WBAI crisis

2001-06-21 Thread Louis Proyect
http://search1.npr.org/search97cgi/s97_cgi Louis Proyect Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org

Global warming & CA's Water system

2001-06-21 Thread Tim Bousquet
Does anyone know anything about these scientists? Are their projections credible, or is this a ploy to justify the building of more dams, relaxation of environmental regulations, etc., or both? Tim Global warming may ruin state water system, scientists say San Jose Mercury News - 6/21/01 By Fran

Re: Re: Re: "Spinoza was a communist thinker long before Marx"

2001-06-21 Thread Jim Devine
Doyle wrote: >The selected quotes from Pen-lers below the signature on this reply (source from Jim Devine -Spinoza, and Yoshie Furuhashi - Hobbes) are representative of the early period in philosophy of "rationalist" rejection of emotions as appropriate to knowledge production. I would like to

RE: relevance

2001-06-21 Thread Mark Jones
Doug Henwood: > > > Does this endless debate over the origins of capitalism have any > relevance? I don't think it's so much a debate about the origins as about the destination of capitalism, and also about what kind of politics we should be arguing for. That's why there may be consensus about no

Re: pen-l etiquette

2001-06-21 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
>Louis writes: >Au contraire. This is a bait: > >"If Louis Proyect and others cannot be given the opportunity of >differentiating themselves from positions they consider liberal or social >democrat, they might logically be obliged to withdraw from such a list as >this, whic

Re: Re: Re: pen-l etiquette

2001-06-21 Thread Michael Perelman
It really does not matter who said what at this point. We should be more concerned about what goes on in the future. On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 09:56:05AM -0700, Jim Devine wrote: > Louis writes: > Au contraire. This is a bait: > > "If Louis Proyect and others cannot be given the oppor

Re: Re: pen-l etiquette

2001-06-21 Thread Jim Devine
Louis writes: Au contraire. This is a bait: "If Louis Proyect and others cannot be given the opportunity of differentiating themselves from positions they consider liberal or social democrat, they might logically be obliged to withdraw from such a list as this, which would

Foucault, Marx, Poulantzas

2001-06-21 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
> >>You said it Justin: > >>> Primarily the social relations of production, i.e., the class > >>> relations whose structure primarily explains the nature and > >>> development of the mode of production, the state, and, less > >>> directly, ideology. Jim: > I don't see why the phras

Communique from the Pagainas Piqueteras del Norte de Salta (Argentina)

2001-06-21 Thread Michael Pugliese
- Original Message - From: "Lev Trotsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 9:48 AM Subject: Communique from Salta -- 6-20-01 Communique from the Pagainas Piqueteras del Norte de Salta (Argentina) Comrades, Just time for this one update today.

Re: Foucault, Marx, Poulantzas

2001-06-21 Thread Michael Perelman
Almost everybody in this conversation has gone over the top. I am not singling you out. It troubles me that intelligent people cannot manage to exchange ideas regarding mutual interests without getting so heated up. Yoshie was on the right track with her masked philosopher approach. The basic q

RE: relevance

2001-06-21 Thread Max Sawicky
Does this endless debate over the origins of capitalism have any relevance to contemporary politics? I don't think it has to - I'm not demanding relevance as a precondition for debate. Just curious about the volume and vehemence of it all. Doug no, but the concept of hydraulic lock-in deserve

RE: Re: S. Africa/mode of prod. debate

2001-06-21 Thread Charles Brown
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/20/01 07:23PM >>> I don't see any meaningful sense in which this is true. What 'pre-capitalist' m of p or social formation *effectively* or *meaningfully* EVER confronted capitalist states? I can't think of one. There was no confrontation of historical equals, there w

Re: Re: Foucault, Marx, Poulantzas

2001-06-21 Thread Jim Devine
>>You said it Justin: >>> Primarily the social relations of production, i.e., the class >>> relations whose structure primarily explains the nature and >>> development of the mode of production, the state, and, less directly, >>> ideology. This is elementary. Surely you knew this is t

Re: Re: Angel of History (was Re: Geras vs Laclau)

2001-06-21 Thread Michael Pugliese
Re: Joe Slovo> http://www.sacp.org.za/people/slovo/default.htm http://www.sacp.org.za/docs/history/failed.html Has Socialism Failed? By Joe Slovo South African Communist Party Contents Introduction Ideological

Foucault, Marx, Poulantzas

2001-06-21 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
> Oh, never mind, Yoshie, this is hopeless. Instead of a reasonable > argument that class doesn't account for as much of the variation as > historical materialists say (though it really depends on the HM--Marx > put a lot of emphasis on military factors in the rose of feudalism), > we have the cl

Re: relevance

2001-06-21 Thread Michael Perelman
Excellent question. That is why I asked on how we have moved beyond the old mode of production debates. On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 12:06:53PM -0400, Doug Henwood wrote: > Does this endless debate over the origins of capitalism have any > relevance to contemporary politics? I don't think it has to

red flags & reformism

2001-06-21 Thread Jim Devine
[was: Re: [PEN-L:13751] Re: Re: Angel of History (was Re: Geras vs Laclau)] Justin writes: >You don't have to call yourself a Marxist, wave red flags, talk the >language of early 20th century Russian political organizing, to be a >socialist. In fact, it's probably best not to do so. It just tur

Re: Re: Foucault, Marx, Poulantzas

2001-06-21 Thread Justin Schwartz
Oh, never mind, Yoshie, this is hopeless. Instead of a reasonable argument that class doesn't account for as much of the variation as historical materialists say (though it really depends on the HM--Marx put a lot of emphasis on military factors in the rose of feudalism), we have the classic s

Re: Foucault, Marx, Poulantzas

2001-06-21 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
> > >which "social relations"? >> >> Social relations of production & reproduction (the latter must be >> broadly conceived). >> >> Yoshie >That's right, so why waste my time pretending L&M have no right >calling your position essentialist?? Take heed from what Benjamin >really says in his The

Re: Foucault, Marx, Poulantzas

2001-06-21 Thread Michael Perelman
please cool it. On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 12:57:49PM -0300, Ricardo Duchesne wrote: > > > > > > >which "social relations"? > > > > Social relations of production & reproduction (the latter must be > > broadly conceived). > > > > Yoshie > That's right, so why waste my time pretending L&M have no

relevance

2001-06-21 Thread Doug Henwood
Does this endless debate over the origins of capitalism have any relevance to contemporary politics? I don't think it has to - I'm not demanding relevance as a precondition for debate. Just curious about the volume and vehemence of it all. Doug

Re: Foucault, Marx, Poulantzas

2001-06-21 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
>You said it Justin: >> Primarily the social relations of production, i.e., the class >> relations whose structure primarily explains the nature and >> development of the mode of production, the state, and, less directly, >> ideology. This is elementary. Surely you knew this is the his

Combined & Uneven Development 2 (was Re: Calling an end to S.Africa thread?)

2001-06-21 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
> >What about fundamental change on this side of the border? > >What about it. > >>It's not >>as though Mexicans, South Africans, etc. have a duty to get an >>international chain of revolutions going but we don't, is it? > >No. I mean yes. No, let me take that back. No. Sorry, can't make up my m

Foucault, Marx, Poulantzas

2001-06-21 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
> > > >which "social relations"? > > Social relations of production & reproduction (the latter must be > broadly conceived). > > Yoshie That's right, so why waste my time pretending L&M have no right calling your position essentialist?? Take heed from what Benjamin really says in his Theses.

Foucault, Marx, Poulantzas

2001-06-21 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
You said it Justin: > Primarily the social relations of production, i.e., the class > relations whose structure primarily explains the nature and > development of the mode of production, the state, and, less directly, > ideology. This is elementary. Surely you knew this is the historical >

There's just not enough space 4 everyone

2001-06-21 Thread Ian Murray
[Washington Post] U.S. Satellites Vulnerable To Attacks, Officer Warns Thursday, June 21, 2001; Page A02 A senior military officer warned yesterday that U.S. military and commercial satellites are vulnerable to attack and said the United States must begin creating a system to defend them. Unles

Geras vs Laclau

2001-06-21 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
> OK, but this is an old point, due to Kant, and while true, it is not > informative about the question of realism. After all, no one pretends > his account of whatever, given by fallible humans in real time, is > complete. But that does not mean that there is not a complete account > that could

Re: pen-l etiquette

2001-06-21 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
> >Nobody is trying to bait you. >> >>Yoshie > >Au contraire. This is a bait: > >"If Louis Proyect and others cannot be given the opportunity of >differentiating themselves from positions they consider liberal or social >democrat, they might logically be obliged to withdraw from such a list as >

Re: Re: Re: Re: Calling an end to S. Africa thread?

2001-06-21 Thread Julio Huato
Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >Please, we are trying to avoid this sort of communication. > >On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 10:00:07AM -0400, Julio Huato wrote: > > Louis makes assertions of fact as if he really knew: > > > > >>The SACP and the Mexican CP are [!] > > >>basically reformist outfit

Re: Re: pen-l etiquette

2001-06-21 Thread Louis Proyect
>Nobody is trying to bait you. > >Yoshie Au contraire. This is a bait: "If Louis Proyect and others cannot be given the opportunity of differentiating themselves from positions they consider liberal or social democrat, they might logically be obliged to withdraw from such a list as this, whic

Re: Re: Angel of History (was Re: Geras vs Laclau)

2001-06-21 Thread Justin Schwartz
You don't have to call yourself a Marxist, wave red flags, talk the language of early 20th century Russian political organizing, to be a socialist. In fact, it's probably best not to do so. It just turns off the people you want to organize, as you know. Mainly it's a religious thing for people

Re: pen-l etiquette

2001-06-21 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
>I have no objections to being baited, provoked or whatever. Nobody is trying to bait you. What's been going on are theoretical disagreements, which may or may not have political implications. Folks can have very different theories and yet come to the same practical political conclusions on m

Re: Foucault, Marx, Poulantzas

2001-06-21 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
> > Marx doesn't talk about "the identity of the working class," "the >> identity of a mode of production," The idea is to examine phenomena as >> (historically evolved & evolving) ensembles of social relations > >which "social relations"? Social relations of production & reproduction (the la

Re: pen-l etiquette

2001-06-21 Thread Louis Proyect
Jim Devine: >means by a "communist party" doesn't it?) If Louis is so sensitive that he >can't respond to a comment that says he's wrong on a highly specific >empirical issue, he should leave the list. But I don't think he is that >sensitive. Julio's comment in no way can be described as an ins

Re: Angel of History (was Re: Geras vs Laclau)

2001-06-21 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
>I agree that Marxism has collapsed as an organizing principle, and >is not likely to come back. But the questions raised here are not >about the principles around which _we_ should organize, but about >those arouns which _society_ is organized, that is, around the truth >of historical materia

Re: Foucault, Marx, Poulantzas

2001-06-21 Thread Justin Schwartz
Primarily the social relations of production, i.e., the class relations whose structure primarily explains the nature and development of the mode of production, the state, and, less directly, ideology. This is elementary. Surely you knew this is the historical materialist view? L&M attack it (

pen-l etiquette

2001-06-21 Thread Jim Devine
[was: Re: [PEN-L:13739] Re: Re: Re: Calling an end to S. Africa thread?] I see nothing wrong with Julio's assertion. He didn't say that Louis was a bad person or had bad intentions or anything like that. He didn't _characterize_ Louis' opinions at all. All he did was make an assertion of _fact

Re: Geras vs Laclau

2001-06-21 Thread Justin Schwartz
> >You're right this will go nowhere unless we explain their respective >positions. I was afraid to be locked-in elaborating the little I know. If >I recall Laclau's point is that there are different, even conflicting >ways to 'see' a soccer ball, no one view being all-inclusive or >capable of

Re: Re: Re: Calling an end to S. Africa thread?

2001-06-21 Thread Michael Perelman
Would somebody explain to me how this discussion is going beyond the old Indian mode of production debate? Assume that that southern US in the early 19th C. were a separate country. Being basically a slave economy, it would not seem like a capitalist economy -- looking at the US by itself. From

Re: Over-Cooked

2001-06-21 Thread Jim Devine
At 11:45 AM 06/21/2001 +0300, you wrote: >A minor, but interesting, story of the Blair ascendancy has been the eclipse >of and utter loss of credibility by Robin Cook. Prior to entering the >government as Foreign Secretary in 1997, Cook's reputation was fairly solid >among Labour leftwingers as so

Foucault, Marx, Poulantzas

2001-06-21 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
> > Marx doesn't talk about "the identity of the working class," "the > identity of a mode of production," The idea is to examine phenomena as > (historically evolved & evolving) ensembles of social relations which "social relations"?

Re: Angel of History (was Re: Geras vs Laclau)

2001-06-21 Thread Louis Proyect
> Lou complains of >reformism of the SACP, the Mexican CP, FARC, & a host of other >outfits in the periphery, but in this they are merely following the >trend that happened much, much earlier in the core. I must demur. The trend in question was the Comintern of the Popular Front era which pr

"Hydraulic lock-in"

2001-06-21 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Mark: > I'm still having problems with how an agriculture which has sustained > itself for several millennia can be called ultimately unsustainable, > but I suspect I haven't been paying close enough attention to your > argument and I'm wondering if you can repeat the salient bits You and Michae

Re: Re: Re: Re: Calling an end to S. Africa thread?

2001-06-21 Thread Michael Pugliese
See, "Carr, Barry. Marxism & communism in twentieth-century Mexico / Barry Carr. Lincoln : University of Nebraska Press, c1992. M. Pugliese, the "intellectual author" of the killings of Rosa and Karl and Julius and Ethel...so say some folks ;-) - Original Message - From: "Louis Proyect

Re: Angel of History (was Re: Geras vs Laclau)

2001-06-21 Thread Justin Schwartz
I agree that Marxism has collapsed as an organizing principle, and is not likely to come back. But the questions raised here are not about the principles around which _we_ should organize, but about those arouns which _society_ is organized, that is, around the truth of historical materialism.

Re: Re: Re: Calling an end to S. Africa thread?

2001-06-21 Thread Louis Proyect
Sorry, I should have been clearer. The Mexican CP dissolved itself into a Eurocommunist formation in 1982 called the Unified Socialist Party (PSUM). If anything, this outfit was even more reformist than the CP itself. The PSUM then merged with other left reformist forces in 1987 and became the Mex

Angel of History (was Re: Geras vs Laclau)

2001-06-21 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
>Geras, I might add, has changed his views since that debate. On >two occasions, at a conference and as an invited speaker at York, >I noted that in his presentation he seemed to be trying to get away >from the idea of a 'single principle underlying the differences'. I >asked, in a roundabout way

Re: query

2001-06-21 Thread Julio Huato
Louis Proyect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >Does anybody know of a single source for these kinds of >statistics on a country-by-country basis? Basically, I am looking for wage >earners share of GDP or National Income, whichever is more useful (if they >are not in fact the same thing.) Yes. Look them up

Re: Re: Calling an end to S. Africa thread?

2001-06-21 Thread Julio Huato
Louis makes assertions of fact as if he really knew: >>The SACP and the Mexican CP are [!] >>basically reformist outfits and if fundamental change comes to those >>countries, it will linked to forces to the left like the Zapatista >>movement or the constellation of left intellectuals and trade un

Re: Re: Calling an end to S. Africa thread?

2001-06-21 Thread Louis Proyect
>What about fundamental change on this side of the border? What about it. >It's not >as though Mexicans, South Africans, etc. have a duty to get an >international chain of revolutions going but we don't, is it? No. I mean yes. No, let me take that back. No. Sorry, can't make up my mind. >

Re: Calling an end to S. Africa thread?

2001-06-21 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Lou says >The SACP and the Mexican CP are >basically reformist outfits and if fundamental change comes to those >countries, it will linked to forces to the left like the Zapatista >movement or the constellation of left intellectuals and trade unionists >Patrick Bond is involved with. What about

Geras vs Laclau

2001-06-21 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Justin: > I haven't read the debate for a long time, and I can't recall the > details. But I did read the _whole_ debate, and L&M's book, too, quite > carefully. However, this isn't going anywhere unless someone starts > posting arguments rather that confessio fidei about which arguments > they l

Re: Re: Calling an end to S. Africa thread?

2001-06-21 Thread Louis Proyect
Chris Burford: > >CLASS RELATIONS WERE IDENTICAL TO MEXICO, ETC > > > remains improbable both in theory and empirical fact. This does not > necessarily flow from combined and uneven development. Rather the reverse. Actually I supplied historical and economic data on Mexico and South Africa. You c

Re: Re: "Spinoza was a communist thinker longbefore Marx"

2001-06-21 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists, The selected quotes from Pen-lers below the signature on this reply (source from Jim Devine -Spinoza, and Yoshie Furuhashi - Hobbes) are representative of the early period in philosophy of "rationalist" rejection of emotions as appropriate to knowledge production. I would li

Combined & Uneven Development (Re: S. Africa/mode of prod. debate)

2001-06-21 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Pat Bond posted: >Political Implications. > Ultimately, it is less the definitional roots of the >concept, and more its political implications and >contemporary intellectual applications, for which uneven >development is known. Leon Trotsky's theory of combined and >uneven development -

GHANA

2001-06-21 Thread ALI KADRI
I have been looking at Ghana recently. it is a typical story of dependent state creation. it grew at an average yearly rate of 4 percent since structural adjustment in 1983 but per capita income is still below the Nkrumah days levels. in 2000 it experienced a slump at one percent. savings dropped

The spy who went into the cold

2001-06-21 Thread Keaney Michael
Sir David Spedding, The old school spy who brought MI6 in from the cold By Jimmy Burns Financial Times, June 14 2001 Sir David Spedding, the former head of MI6, the secret intelligence service, who died on Wednesday, played a key role in ensuring that his country's spying community was not made

US empire

2001-06-21 Thread Keaney Michael
Doug Henwood wrote: I just saw the odious Texas Senator Phil Gramm on TV, in a q&a with Alan Greenspan, complaining about European financial regulation. Though he was complaining about the constraints on U.S. banks' European operations imposed by EU regulations, Gramm phrased it as the EU for

Over-Cooked

2001-06-21 Thread Keaney Michael
Penners A minor, but interesting, story of the Blair ascendancy has been the eclipse of and utter loss of credibility by Robin Cook. Prior to entering the government as Foreign Secretary in 1997, Cook's reputation was fairly solid among Labour leftwingers as someone who had consistently champione

Easy does it

2001-06-21 Thread Keaney Michael
Private funding for schools but not hospitals yet The Queen's Speech: Health and Education By Richard Garner, Education Editor and Michael Durham, Health Correspondent The Independent, 21 June 2001 A concerted drive towards private takeovers of state schools will be outlined in the Educ

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