The most immediate question was the political, it looks as if the US has
been too shocked and its allies/rivals have moved into action too quickly
and have inhibited the most immediate trigger happy retaliation. It may
come within the next 12,24 or 72 hours, but the longer the delay, the more
Nathan wrote:
Thankfully, the Palestinian leaders show more compassion for thousands,
maybe tens of thousands of dead innocents, than many people on this list and
can express condemnation of this act of mass murder without implying that
the victims somehow deserved their fate for the acts of the
Max says
I do think it would be
extremely foolish at this point to run out
there and start campaigning against chauvinism
and retaliation. Right now
people yearn for somebody to pin this on, and
lacking that, most any demonstration that can
be confused with potential culprits will be
seized
I disagree. IMHO, the attack was cowardly. They attacked defenseless
people. Only cowards do such things.
There is an assumption that the tactic of secrecy was necessary. This
softly implies that the attack itself was necessary. Not only would
that statement be wrong, it would be a hideous lie.
I do not think that it serves any purpose to go on about whether someone
thinks that they were cowardly.
On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 09:34:27AM -0500, Andrew Hagen wrote:
I disagree. IMHO, the attack was cowardly. They attacked defenseless
people. Only cowards do such things.
There is an
Andrew Hagen wrote,
I disagree. IMHO, the attack was cowardly. They attacked defenseless
people. Only cowards do such things.
Zombies. Only zombies do such things. They didn't attack defenseless people
per se; they attacked what were to them abstract symbols -- targets. Even
the people were
At 01:05 AM 09/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:
Afghanistan is as adept at splitism as Trotskyists it
would seem.
splittism is all over the map. Lenin and the Bolshies (strictly speaking,
the RSDLP) went through all sorts of splits and recombinations before 1917
(and after Lenin died, then in a more
At 05:17 AM 09/12/2001 -0400, you wrote:
Urge public officials other community leaders to condemn anti-Arab
anti-Muslim harassment; to discourage people from jumping to conclusions
that the attacks must have been the work of Arabs or Muslims;
yeah: it's important to remember that many blamed
Andrew Hagen writes:
I disagree. IMHO, the attack was cowardly. They attacked defenseless
people. Only cowards do such things.
There is an assumption that the tactic of secrecy was necessary. This
softly implies that the attack itself was necessary. Not only would
that statement be wrong, it
Some Bradford Muslims 'act like colonists'
Martin Wainwright
Wednesday September 12, 2001
The Guardian
A devastating appendix to Lord Ouseley's
report on race relations in Bradford, which
accuses some Muslims of behaving like
colonists and welcoming Islamic
ghettoes, is to be published after
Middle Eastern studies 'essential' for understanding terrorism
Experts say that the need for knowledge and intelligence about the
Middle East conflict has never been greater.
Lee Elliot Major and Donald MacLeod
Wednesday September 12, 2001
The Guardian
A dearth of academic expertise in Middle
Globalization means a globalized war zone, too.
I agree, Tom.
As for symbolism; well, the war of symbols is won and lost by PR consultants
and access to media. America holds all the aces there. And murdered innocents
provide the joker. Just as the murderers saw their terrified victims as
abstract symbols, so will the other side make symbols
If this talk of an act of war leads to the War
Powers Act being invoked, does that let the insurance
companies escape from making payments on the damage?
My reading of the Chron this morning suggests that the
total hit for insurance companies is on the order of
$20 billion-- by far the largest
Michael Keaney wrote:
Well, today, that is no longer the case, and one
hopes (however forlornly), in line with all the pointed professions of
*humility* that President George W. Bush made when coming into office,
that this will be one of the overriding lessons of yesterday's events:
the United
At 09:43 AM 9/12/01 -0700, you wrote:
If this talk of an act of war leads to the War
Powers Act being invoked, does that let the insurance
companies escape from making payments on the damage?
isn't that one of the key roles for declarations of disaster areas?
My reading of the Chron this
I attempted to heavily stress that this was merely a rumor. The rumor
now has been denied by the Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, to
the local Congressional Representative from Pennsylvania, John Murtha.
http://www.post-gazette.com/breaking/20010912somersetp3.asp
The American media
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=93623
The wickedness and awesome cruelty of a crushed and humiliated people
By Robert Fisk
12 September 2001
So it has come to this. The entire modern history of the Middle East
the collapse of the Ottoman empire, the Balfour
Another estimate puts the insurance costs at $5 billion. In any case,
the insurance industry will be glad to learn that the owner of the WTC,
the Port Authority of NY and NJ, insured only one of the towers.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=93613
Life insurance
BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, DAILY REPORT, WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 12, 2001:
RELEASED TODAY: The average annual pay of all workers covered by state
and federal unemployment insurance (UI) programs rose by 5.9 percent to
$35,296 in 2000, according to preliminary data released today by the
Title: Resist Calls for Collective Punishment (Endorsers
Want
Would you or your organization be able to
endorse the following joint press release below? If so, please
e-mail me back ASAP, and your or your organization's name will be
added as a sponsor.
* For Immediate Release -
September
It is clear that there is a strong link between the kami kazi acts in the US and
the Middle East. It is clear that the Palestianians have been treated like pigs
by US imperialism and are now acting like pigs. The source of the attack on the
US buildings is the Bush administration. Bush armed and
With all due respect and with no love lost for the CIA, the three quoted
paragraphs below are totally ridiculous and unhelpful.
On the other hand, I read with appreciation a letter printed in the Boston
Globe saying simply this: The United States has long bombed, invaded, and
subverted the
Here's why I wouldn't endorse this, for what
it's worth, as a stab at what a good left
response would be . . .
I would emphasize the need to determine who
is guilty *first.* I think that would be a
successful public appeal. No more bogus
aspirin factory bombings. Determination
of who leads to
from the Boston Globe
Train stopped in Providence
Man arrested not connected to attacks, authorities say
PROVIDENCE, R.I. - A man allegedly carrying a knife aboard an Amtrak train
was arrested Wednesday, but authorities said he had no apparent connection
to this week's terrorist attacks.
- Original Message -
From: Al Sargis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: Open Letter re: 9-11-01
Richard Curtis: What you say about the response to
terror being the problem is true. However, the attack
was PRIMARILY on
How can the USA appoint a terrorist as our Ambassador to the UN after
yesterday? Call your Senator!
Gene Coyle
The Senate Foreign Relations Committee has scheduled hearings on the
nomination of John Negroponte as UN Ambassador tomorrow, Thursday,
Sep. 13, 11 a.m. EST. We need to flood the
Michael, King of URL pastiche, has to run to a political meeting. Send
some URL's in the meantime to Talmadge here.
Michael Pugliese
- Original Message -
From: Talmadge Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:01 PM
Subject: Need list of
The Globe and Mail September 12, 2001
The morning after:
Now comes the real danger
Will we overreact to yesterday's terrorist attacks and destroy
democracy?
asks security specialist Thomas Homer?Dixon
Some events shatter the order of things-the routines and regularities of
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:29:11 -0700
From: Joe Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Fwd: (Fwd) Another face of the Palestinian community
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From: Gush Shalom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: (Fwd) Another face of the Palestinian community
Date:
Hi, Max:
Here's why I wouldn't endorse this, for what
it's worth, as a stab at what a good left
response would be . . .
I would emphasize the need to determine who
is guilty *first.* I think that would be a
successful public appeal. No more bogus
aspirin factory bombings. Determination
of
Would it make any difference. Would insurance ever cover acts of terrorism?
I thought that damage due to terrorism or insurrection would be
automatically excluded. But no doubt someone with more expertise can set us
straight. In Ontario the province has conveniently passed a law that limits
its
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