sinking Argentina

2002-01-07 Thread Romain Kroes
n°7, 07-01-02___http://www.edu-irep.org___ L'Argentine laisse passer sa chance.Argentina missed the opportunity of recovering http://www.edu-irep.org/actu.htm ___ 4, bd Jean JaurèsBP 2694267 Fresnes

Re: the profit rate recession

2002-01-07 Thread Fred B. Moseley
Over, the weekend I read with interest Jim D's explanation of the millennium crisis (i.e. the current recession) on his website, which was discussed last week on PENL. I also read his RRPE 2000 paper on the rise and fall of stagflation. I mostly agree with the latter and strongly disagree with

military Keynesianism redux

2002-01-07 Thread Ian Murray
The Boeing Boondoggle by Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman Even old Washington hands sometimes find themselves with their mouths agape at the brazenness of the latest corporate innovation in ripping off the public. Such a jaw-dropping moment occurred in December, as Boeing-friendly members

the prediction game

2002-01-07 Thread Ian Murray
[any takers?] Economics competition Predict the future of the economy Think you can predict the future of the economy? If you can, you could win £500 worth of book tokens, a magnum of champagne and lunch with the Guardian's economics team. And an economics dictionary if you answer online

Doug Orr and Ellen Frank

2002-01-07 Thread michael perelman
These penners conducted an excellent session at the Atlanta meetings. I wish that they could sumarize their talks for us. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

a tale of two airports

2002-01-07 Thread Devine, James
Looking at Atlanta the US is currently in a severe recession. At the economics meetings there, I stayed at a hotel that was several blocks from where the sessions were and was able to scan the economic scene. It's depressed. There were lots of stores that were closed, while two major _buildings_

RE: Re: about conspiracy

2002-01-07 Thread Devine, James
Karl: Attacking people as conspiracy theorists is a form of political correctness. It is a rhetorical device by which rational debate is precluded from discourse. Once one is labelled a conspiracy theorist it is believed that the person can be summarily dismissed. The point is that conspiracies

Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Devine, James
From Microsoft's SLATE news summary: The Washington POST reports on Bush's colorful economic speech to a group of Hispanic entrepreneurs in Ontario, California... Bush's speech comes less than 24 hours after Senator Majority Leader Daschle declared that tax cuts probably made the recession worse.

Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Alan Cibils
At 1/7/2002, you wrote: fools! The Democrats are using the failure to balance the budget against Bush. Again! don't they know that it's bad economics and bad politics to do so? I guess they're paid well. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine Democrats must be

Re: Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Doug Henwood
Alan Cibils wrote: Democrats must be getting their economic wisdom from the IMF. Maybe they should look at Argentina's experience trying to balance its budget in a recession. Al Gore said during the campaign that if revenues declined in a recession, he'd cut spending to preserve the

RE: Re: about conspiracy

2002-01-07 Thread Devine, James
Karl: Attacking people as conspiracy theorists is a form of political correctness. It is a rhetorical device by which rational debate is precluded from discourse. Once one is labelled a conspiracy theorist it is believed that the person can be summarily dismissed. The point is that conspiracies

Re: Re: Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Alan Cibils
At 1/7/2002, you wrote: Al Gore said during the campaign that if revenues declined in a recession, he'd cut spending to preserve the surplus. Doug Wow!! That is one twisted bit of economic reasoning!! I love it! Alan _ Do You Yahoo!?

Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Ellen Frank
Actually, it was worse than that, as I recall. He said something like - if revenues declined in a recession, he would see it as an opportunity to cut fat out of the budget, just like a private businesses do. I don't have the exact quote handy at home, though I used it in an article for DS last

Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Carrol Cox
Devine, James wrote: [clip] fools! The Democrats are using the failure to balance the budget against Bush. Again! don't they know that it's bad economics and bad politics to do so? I guess they're paid well. On the other hand, the Republicans are demonizing Dachle. What nonsense.

Re: Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
I would hope that progressive economists argue that overcoming the Treasury view does not guarantee that the economy can be free from downturns or even protracted depressions. Otherwise, progressive economists are simply subscribing to the hydraulic or mechanical view of Keynesianism or

RE: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Forstater, Mathew
as often is the case, I wonder what is worse--that the Deomorats don't understand the wrongheadedness of the claim that the disappearance of the surlus is the cause of the economic troubles or that they know that is not right but are saying it for political reasons. Either way, they are

Re: a tale of two airports

2002-01-07 Thread Ellen Frank
I'm not sure how much the depressed condition of downtown Atlanta results from the current recession. My impression was that the downtown is mostly a stage-set for conventioneers. A couple of dozen high-rises, at least half of them hotels. A big Merchandise Mart for trade shows. A Macys

RE: Re: Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Forstater, Mathew
Right Rakesh. But we still have to ask whether working people and the poor will be better off with more spending and jobs and less taxes or not. In the long run we need to think about alternatives to a system that just doesn't make sense, but in the meantime we need to think about how we can

Re: Doug Orr and Ellen Frank

2002-01-07 Thread Ellen Frank
Thanks, Michael. I will be happy to do so tomorrow, when I return to my office. I have a trundated version of my email software at home that makes it difficult to compose messages. I will say that it was a real pleasure to see so many friends and email buddies. Wish more of you lived

Re: RE: Re: Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
Mat wrote: Right Rakesh. But we still have to ask whether working people and the poor will be better off with more spending and jobs and less taxes or not. In the long run we need to think about alternatives to a system that just doesn't make sense, but in the meantime we need to think about

Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Ellen Frank
On the flights to and from Atlanta, I began reading this new book by Rick Perlstein called Before the Storm -- about Barry Goldwater and the rise of the new right. It's a bit long-winded with sometimes tedious detail about this and that right-wing crank. But what's fascinating is the vehemence

Re: Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
On the flights to and from Atlanta, I began reading this new book by Rick Perlstein called Before the Storm -- about Barry Goldwater and the rise of the new right. It's a bit long-winded with sometimes tedious detail about this and that right-wing crank. But what's fascinating is the vehemence

previous replies to Mr. Paul Prescod

2002-01-07 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
people on another list may be interested in this as well. Dear Mr. Paul Prescod: It would seem perfectly obvious that some freedom to operate a free press, to form labor unions and to surf the web may enable the development of more rational alternative to both the monstrous al Qaida and the

Re: Re: Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Doug Henwood
Rakesh Bhandari wrote: ah a bit of guilt by association, Ellen. But who would have thought a decade later Nixon would be saying that we are all Keynesians and four decades later Lawrence Lindsey and George Gilder would be trying to assure us--in explicitly Keynesian language--that recovery

RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Forstater, Mathew
Rakesh - I don't see why I am assuming that underconsumption is the problem. Why not underinvestment (public as well as or even more so than private)? I am supporting govt spending for both infrastructure investment and spending on education, health care, child care, etc. I could (and do)

RE: Re: the profit rate recession

2002-01-07 Thread Devine, James
Fred Moseley writes: Over, the weekend I read with interest Jim D's explanation of the millennium crisis (i.e. the current recession) on his website, which was discussed last week on PENL. I also read his RRPE 2000 paper on the rise and fall of stagflation. I mostly agree with the latter and

Re: RE: Re: the profit rate recession

2002-01-07 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
thanks for your comments, which definitely help raise the intellectual level on pen-l. The last time I discussed this issue, the discussion developed to a stage where one individual asserted that my politics stink. Luckily, it got to that low level only off-list.[*] jim, this is childish, i

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
Rakesh - I don't see why I am assuming that underconsumption is the problem. Why not underinvestment (public as well as or even more so than private)? I am supporting govt spending for both infrastructure investment and spending on education, health care, child care, etc. I could (and do)

Re: the profit rate recession (oops!)

2002-01-07 Thread Devine, James
By mistake, I posted my reply to Fred Moseley before I finished it. Please reply to the complete one, which I'll post soon. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

Re: the profit rate recession (oops!)

2002-01-07 Thread Devine, James
By accident, I sent the following missive before it was finished. Please respond to this version, not the other. Fred Moseley writes: Over, the weekend I read with interest Jim D's explanation of the millennium crisis (i.e. the current recession) on his website, which was discussed last week on

RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Forstater, Mathew
Rakesh - Honestly I have not read Mattick Sr's book on Marx and Keynes since grad school, where it was required reading in Shaikh's class. I have continued these discussions with Anwar as well as some of his former students who have continued this work, like Jamee Moudud. Actually we were

Re: Re: the profit rate recession (oops!)

2002-01-07 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
so accumulation can indeed proceed on the tugan path that is (however) dependent on volatile fixed capital accumulation and capitalists' luxury consumption, overcoming shocks along the way (say the Asia Financial Crisis, the Russian default, Japan's recession after the value added tax and the

profit rate and recession (fini)

2002-01-07 Thread Devine, James
I sent this comment again without having finished it (I do need a nap). But this time I'm not going to rewrite it. I'll just deal with the ending. (So this is part II.) Fred writes: Jim, what is surprising is that in your RRPE (2000) paper, you argue, along classical Marxian lines, that the

two factual corrections

2002-01-07 Thread Devine, James
I wrote: thanks for your comments [Fred], which definitely help raise the intellectual level on pen-l. The last time I discussed this issue, the discussion developed to a stage where one individual asserted that my politics stink. Luckily, it got to that low level only off-list In

FW: FPIF News: IMF Role in Argentina Debacle?

2002-01-07 Thread michael pugliese
--- Original Message --- From: Interhemispheric Resource Center (IRC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/7/02 3:12:31 PM FOREIGN POLICY IN FOCUS http://www.fpif.org/ Whats in the News at FPIF? January 7, 2002 · Economic Debacle In Argentina: The IMF Strikes Again By Arthur

Re: two factual corrections

2002-01-07 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
2) As for the rumor about Rajani Kanth, I did NOT let Rakesh in on gossip. Rather, I made it very clear to Rakesh that what I said was a rumor and that _therefore_ I didn't put any faith in it. For your sake, I won't forward what you did actually write. Or maybe I will. Let me think about it.

Re: sinking Argentina

2002-01-07 Thread Chris Burford
At 07/01/02 13:13 +0100, Romain Kroes wrote: It is now becoming understandable that the way to get out of the spiral is the political decision to marginalize the dollar as international-standard currency, that is to move away from Washington's and IMF's domination. President Saa seemed to be

RE: Re: two factual corrections

2002-01-07 Thread Devine, James
this dialogue really should be off-list, so people who are uninterested should hit delete now. But since Rakesh makes wants to wash my dirty laundry in public... I wrote: 2) As for the rumor about Rajani Kanth, I did NOT let Rakesh in on gossip. Rather, I made it very clear to Rakesh that

Re: two factual corrections

2002-01-07 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
well here's what i didn't send but ok I shall now. __ by the way, Jim D, did you ever find the quote in which Marx accepts (or even defines what he takes to be) Ricardo's views of fiscal policy? or did you find the post in which you referred to the Sa'udi royal family as clerical

RE: Re: two factual corrections

2002-01-07 Thread Devine, James
Since my main reason for participating in pen-l is to further the development of Marxian political economy, I see no point in discussing the issues of this thread any further. (BTW, in case anyone cares about the facts, my son's problems seem to be neurological rather than chemical as Rakesh

the right divided on takings

2002-01-07 Thread Ian Murray
Monday, Jan. 7, 2002 Court Looks at Landowners' Rights By GINA HOLLAND Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court on Monday plunged into the thorny issue of how much power the government has to dictate what people do with their land. The principal question for the justices is

who owns the Three Stooges?

2002-01-07 Thread Ian Murray
Monday, Jan. 7, 2002 Three Stooges' Heirs Get Profits By GINA HOLLAND Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - Heirs of the Three Stooges will get profits from posthumous depictions of Moe, Larry and Curly, thanks to the Supreme Court. The court bypassed a chance to give First Amendment

Re: RE: Re: two factual corrections

2002-01-07 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
Since my main reason for participating in pen-l is to further the development of Marxian political economy, I see no point in discussing the issues of this thread any further. jim, i am unsubbing, and wish pen-l well in the development of national populism and keynesianism. rakesh

WTO, US, Cuba

2002-01-07 Thread Ian Murray
Wednesday January 2, 4:23 pm Eastern Time WTO Sides With United States in Dispute Over Trademarks of Companies Seized by Cuba By NAOMI KOPPEL Associated Press Writer GENEVA (AP) -- Stepping into a dispute between rum makers, the World Trade Organization sided with the United States Wednesday in

Bankruptcies Residential debt in Oz

2002-01-07 Thread Rob Schaap
2001 record year for bankruptcy THE AGE CANBERRA, Jan 8 AAP|Published: Tuesday January 8, 5:55 PM A record number of people declared themselves bankrupt in 2001, figures released today showed. More than 26,000