to put it dialectically ...

2003-02-11 Thread Chris Burford
How about... A series of external issues have challenged the internal unity of NATO since the fall of the Berlin Wall Bosnia Kosova Aghanistan now Iraq soon North Korea These are the external factors but in dialectics external factors are not the cause of change, merely sometimes the

Nitzan Papers

2003-02-11 Thread Bill Lear
I've put the papers of Jonathan Nitzan on my 'puter, so folks can download them from there as well. They can be found here: http://www.zopyra.com/~rael/AllAboutOil.pdf and http://www.zopyra.com/~rael/PoliticalEconomyOfIsrael.pdf Bill

RE: Nitzan Papers

2003-02-11 Thread Max B. Sawicky
what's the cite for this? max -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Lear Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:34560] Nitzan Papers I've put the papers of Jonathan Nitzan on my 'puter, so folks

Greenspan

2003-02-11 Thread Ian Murray
http://www.federalreserve.gov/BoardDocs/HH/2003/february/testimony.htm

Radical Economic Assistance with Free San Francisco Project

2003-02-11 Thread Will Doherty
I am trying to locate a radical economist who might be willing to research the effects of the City and County of San Francisco seceding from the State of California and the USA in order to become a free state. The beginning of the project is at http://www.freestateofsf.org/ We need some analysis

European Trade Group Files Suit Over Windows XP

2003-02-11 Thread ravi
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/11/business/worldbusiness/11CND-MICRO.html February 11, 2003 European Trade Group Files Suit Over Windows XP By PAUL MELLER RUSSELS, Feb. 11 — A computer industry trade group said today that it had filed a complaint about Microsoft Corp.'s Windows XP operating

From Argentina, looking for Ambulance-Homicide Theory

2003-02-11 Thread marce
Dear members of Pen-L, My name is Marcela Perelman, I live and work in Buenos Aires. I work at Center for Social and Legal Studies (Centro de Estudios Legales y Sociales/ CELS), an NGO with a large tradition in the fight for human rights since last dictatorship. I work for a program named

Re: doublethink

2003-02-11 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1) A great truth is a truth whose opposite is also a great truth. - Niels Bohr That's right. It's extremely unclear what Bohr was saying. For all we know, he may be totally wrongheaded in the above statement. We can't

Re: Re: doublethink

2003-02-11 Thread dsquared
If you don't know what Russell's paradox is I'll take the liberty of asking that you look it up as it's one of the most important results of 20th century mathematics-logic. Feel free to refuse. Alternatively, Ian, you could carry out the task of looking up problems for all and only all

Re: US public opinions of other countries

2003-02-11 Thread Chris Burford
At 11/02/03 07:33 +, you wrote: What do Americans think of other countries? Here's a Gallup poll. by Frank Newport GALLUP NEWS SERVICE Full text at http://gallup.com/poll/releases/pr030210.asp Yes but at least France is still in positive territory. Look at the massive negative rating

Re: Re: Re: doublethink

2003-02-11 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternatively, Ian, you could carry out the task of looking up problems for all and only all those listmembers who won't look them up for themselves :-) dd === :-) Ian

Re: Re: US public opinions of other countries

2003-02-11 Thread Ralph Johansen
These how'mIdoin polls reflect how successful the domestic media have been in parroting Bush foreign policy feeds to the media, and are a form of self-congratulatory reinforcement, to which the media enthusiastically subscribe..As you will agree no doubt. So what's their effect otherwise? Whipup

Re: Re: doublethink

2003-02-11 Thread ravi
Ian Murray wrote: snipping, because I detect, possibly erroneously, obtuseness on your part. If you don't know what Russell's paradox is I'll take the liberty of asking that you look it up as it's one of the most important results of 20th century mathematics-logic. Feel free to refuse.

Re: Re: Re: doublethink

2003-02-11 Thread Carrol Cox
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you don't know what Russell's paradox is I'll take the liberty of asking that you look it up as it's one of the most important results of 20th century mathematics-logic. Feel free to refuse. Alternatively, Ian, you could carry out the task of

Re: Re: Re: doublethink

2003-02-11 Thread Carrol Cox
ravi wrote: on the paradox, my potentially incorrect attempt at summarizing the history and details: Isn't it the same as the Cretan Liar paradox. The Cretan says, all statements made by Cretans are false. I don't know the exact history -- but Russell's discovery must have been the

Re: Re: Re: Re: doublethink

2003-02-11 Thread joanna bujes
Forget Russell, read Wittgenstein. The Philosophical Investigations is a real treat. What I love about Wittgenstein is that he writes about very difficult things in very simple languageas opposed to most philosophers, who write about very simple things in very impenetrable language. At the

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: doublethink

2003-02-11 Thread ravi
joanna bujes wrote: Forget Russell, read Wittgenstein. The Philosophical Investigations is a real treat. i believe wittgenstein's cambridge lectures on the foundations of mathematics might also be an interesting read in this matter. of particular interest is the tussle between the hard-nosed

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: doublethink

2003-02-11 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: joanna bujes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 3:12 PM Subject: [PEN-L:34577] Re: Re: Re: Re: doublethink Forget Russell, read Wittgenstein. The Philosophical Investigations is a real treat. What I love about

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: doublethink

2003-02-11 Thread joanna bujes
At 06:28 PM 02/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: but the russell that ian recommends we read is not the philosopher of logical atomism or atheism or the silliness of marriage ;-). the development of the formalization of mathematics triggered by frege (peano et al) in the late 19th century and brought to

Re: Re: Re: Re: doublethink

2003-02-11 Thread ravi
Carrol Cox wrote: ravi wrote: on the paradox, my potentially incorrect attempt at summarizing the history and details: Isn't it the same as the Cretan Liar paradox. The Cretan says, all statements made by Cretans are false. I don't know the exact history -- but Russell's discovery must

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: doublethink

2003-02-11 Thread Peter Dorman
Sorry about linear algebra. You didn't find eigenvectors beautiful? Peter joanna bujes wrote: I only like math because it's beautiful and elegant, but I have no desire (and probably no ability) to understand why it is so. I made it through Calculus and vector calculus...was bored to

UK Trade Unions on Iraq war

2003-02-11 Thread k hanly
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/unions/story/0,12189,892773,00.htmlGuardian February 10, 2003 War could cause mass walkouts Trade union leaders today warned that there could be "massive" strikes ifand when an attack on Iraq was launched. Speaking at a Stop the War coalition meeting, the

Bush and Bin Laden agree on regime change

2003-02-11 Thread k hanly
So how come there are no headlines mentioning that the US and the terrorists agree that Hussein must go? MSNB engaged in creative editing to hide bin Laden's criticism of Hussein. Storey at: http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j021203.html Cheers, Ken Hanly But it turns out that what can't be

The Children of Iraq

2003-02-11 Thread Paul Zarembka
Vulnerable but ignored: how catastrophe threatens the 12 million children of Iraq By Leonard Doyle Foreign Editor, The Independent 12 February 2003 They come from above, from the air, and will kill us and destroy us. I can explain to you that we fear this every day and every night.   Shelma

Triplethink!

2003-02-11 Thread Gil Skillman
Ravi writes, among other things: the background is russell's attempt to derive mathematics from logic based on richard dedekind and gottlob frege's formalisms. but in the attempt, russell discovered in inherent paradox arising from frege's notion of a function. russell wrote to frege: let 'w'

RE: Bush and Bin Laden agree on regime change

2003-02-11 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:34584] Bush and Bin Laden agree on regime change I was somewhat flattered to be called an infidel by ObL (since he called all socialists infidels). JD -Original Message- From: k hanly To: pen Sent: 2/11/2003 6:07 PM Subject: [PEN-L:34584] Bush and Bin Laden agree

Re: to put it dialectically ...

2003-02-11 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 2/11/03 12:02:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about... A series of external issues have challenged the internal unity of NATO since the fall of the Berlin Wall Bosnia Kosova Aghanistan now Iraq soon North Korea These are the external factors but

duct tape

2003-02-11 Thread Michael Perelman
Has everybody here stocked up on duct tape -- just in case. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: duct tape

2003-02-11 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Has everybody here stocked up on duct tape -- just in case. -- === I didn't. The sales clerk said a bunch of folks from Wall Street came in and bought every roll and cleared out the aisle with all the bubble

Japan

2003-02-11 Thread Ian Murray
The Japan Times: Feb. 12, 2003 METI aims to help sick firms beat bankruptcy Changes to business regulations and special tax breaks will be considered to help ailing companies avoid bankruptcy and get back on their feet, according to government draft guidelines released Tuesday. According to the

RE: Re: duct tape

2003-02-11 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:34590] Re: duct tape Michael P: Has everybody here stocked up on duct tape -- just in case. -- === I didn't. The sales clerk said a bunch of folks from Wall Street came in and bought every roll and cleared out the aisle with all the bubble gum too. Ian

Farrakhan on US and Oil

2003-02-11 Thread k hanly
No wonder he doesnt get much press coverage any more! Cheers, Ken Hanly WEB POSTED 09-13-2002 by The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan [Editor's note: With President George W. Bush beating the war drums for an attack on Iraq, The Final Call reprints excerpts from Min. Louis Farrakhan's

Re: RE: Re: doublethink

2003-02-11 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] (This discussion is going in extremely abstract circles. Either it should stop here = Hey, given your opening Ari-logic prescription, you're right. Because I'm not writing a book for the list on the list.

Re: Nitzan Papers

2003-02-11 Thread Louis Proyect
Bill Lear wrote: I've put the papers of Jonathan Nitzan on my 'puter, so folks can download them from there as well. They can be found here: http://www.zopyra.com/~rael/AllAboutOil.pdf and http://www.zopyra.com/~rael/PoliticalEconomyOfIsrael.pdf I've had a chance to look at these

Le Cercle Rouge

2003-02-11 Thread Louis Proyect
Just at the time film noir was going into decline in the USA during the 1950s, it got a new lease on life in France. To a certain extent, Hollywood's loss was France's gain as blacklisted directors such as Jules Dassin simply picked up where they left off with films like Rififi. In addition to

China joins with France, Germany and Russia

2003-02-11 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Times, Feb. 11, 2003 NATO Fails to Settle Iraq Rift; China Seeks More Inspections By RICHARD BERNSTEIN with CRAIG S. SMITH BRUSSELS, Feb. 11 - NATO failed today to settle its deep differences over Iraq, the worst rift in the alliance's history, but a spokesman said informal talks would

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: doublethink

2003-02-11 Thread dsquared
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Peter Dorman wrote: Sorry about linear algebra. You didn't find eigenvectors beautiful? Peter I was always told that there were two ways to learn linear algebra; the hard way and the easy way. And the easy way doesn't work. dd

playing into enemy hands...

2003-02-11 Thread Chris Burford
Clearly the Bush Administration (BA) is delighted with the latest Bin Laden tape, which it has promptly acknowledged. This to them successfully links the relevance of invading Iraq to the war on terrorism, despite the embarrassing fact that the war against Al-Qaeda failed to capture the number