Re: Complexity

2003-06-18 Thread dsquared
On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:57:17 -0400, Barkley Rosser wrote: > > Briefly, there were > indeed "intellectual bubbles" regarding cybernetics, > catastrophe theory, chaos theory, and complexity theory, > which rose and then fell. What's your view on Didier Sornette and log-periodic power laws? Ano

Re: Tony Blair and the Marxists

2003-06-18 Thread Chris Burford
At 2003-06-18 08:28 -0400, you wrote: I'd love to see Tony Blair's contributions to Marxism Today (the magazine, not the movement). mbs Yes, I wondered that, but on reflection it is probably what one would expect. The journal did not require any contributor to write in particularly Marxist phrase

oops

2003-06-18 Thread Ian Murray
Rate Cut Looking Like a Sure Thing http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/business/?nav=hptoc_b CORRECTED: Dollar Up; Chance of Fed Rate Cut Fades Reuters, June 18, 2003; 11:40 PM [a technical correction of paragraph 11 of the article; not the article above] http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/busi

education/centralization

2003-06-18 Thread Ian Murray
Research fund plans 'threaten 8,000 jobs' Will Woodward, education editor Thursday June 19, 2003 The Guardian University lecturers and learned societies made stinging attacks yesterday on the government's plan to concentrate research funding on elite institutions. The Association of University T

EU subsidies redux

2003-06-18 Thread Ian Murray
Rebels reject farm subsidy reform France and Germany lead dissent against compromise deal reducing link to production Charlotte Denny and Andrew Osborn in Brussels Thursday June 19, 2003 The Guardian Europe's agricultural commissioner Franz Fischler issued a take-it-or-leave-it ultimatum yesterda

Re: Modest Michael

2003-06-18 Thread Michael Perelman
How serious is this? -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

the Repugs.

2003-06-18 Thread Ian Murray
http://www.theonion.com/onion3923/gop_reports_record.html [check the photos.] GOP Reports Record Second-Quarter Profits WASHINGTON, DC-At a stockholders meeting Monday, the Republican Party announced record profits for the second quarter of 2003, exceeding analysts' expectations by more than 2

Re: Modest Michael

2003-06-18 Thread Ian Murray
[speaking of intellectual property] In Focus: Intellectual Property Monday, June 16, 2003 Written description: a looser requirement? The Federal Circuit has been edging away from the heightened standard that it set out in the 1997 'Lilly' case. By Janet E. Reed, Felicity E. Groth and Scott E. Sc

Re: Complexity

2003-06-18 Thread Sabri Oncu
Les: > i agree chaos and complexity studies have a > fad __component__. Les, As I know it, fad means craze, trend, mania and the like. In that sense, anyone who knows some math knows that chaos is a fad. Take a look at the Preface of that beautiful book by Stephen Wiggins where he says: "Finall

fictitious capital web site

2003-06-18 Thread Michael Perelman
Loren Goldner sent this. I and four collaborators have started a new web site called Fictitious Capital, Real Retrogression at www.munism.com Further, this web site will accept postings from others. Our purpose is to investigate social retrogression under the impact of the world crisis that b

Re: Modest Michael

2003-06-18 Thread Michael Perelman
Sasha is the modest one. She and C.S. do an excellent job. Unlike most interviewers, they actually read the book. On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 04:51:08PM -0700, Sasha Lilley wrote: > The interview with Michael on intellectual propery > rights is now up on our site livingroomradio.org -- > just in tim

Re: 'Straussians' in the news; the world trembles (II)

2003-06-18 Thread Michael Hoover
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/18/03 01:03PM >>> Strauss was a scholar who came up with a lot of scholarly interpretations, many of which were controversial, Jim Devine <<<>>> c. b.. macpherson relied greatly upon strauss' book _political philosophy of hobbes_ (appeared in english in 1936) in developing

Re: 'Straussians' in the news; the world trembles (II)

2003-06-18 Thread Michael Perelman
I found David's last statement surprising.I suspect that the economics profession could be considered a conservative network. On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 11:47:10AM -0700, David S. Shemano wrote: > 4. As far as Straussian networking, as far as I am aware, they are the only > conservatively incli

Re: Modest Michael

2003-06-18 Thread ravi
Sasha Lilley wrote: > The interview with Michael on intellectual propery > rights is now up on our site livingroomradio.org -- > just in time for the Sacramento Agricultural > Ministerial, where people will be demonstrating > against the patenting of nature. > excellent - its an mp3! thanks for no

Re: Modest Michael

2003-06-18 Thread Sasha Lilley
The interview with Michael on intellectual propery rights is now up on our site livingroomradio.org -- just in time for the Sacramento Agricultural Ministerial, where people will be demonstrating against the patenting of nature. Sasha Lilley Producer, KPFA's Living Room [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510/848-

FW: Blair & MARXISM TODAY

2003-06-18 Thread Devine, James
Title: FW: Blair & MARXISM TODAY Max asked about what kind of stuff Tony Blair wrote in MARXISM TODAY. This is what I found by googling: From WORLDLINK, ( http://backissues.worldlink.co.uk/articles/161198140511/19111998174533.htm) in 1998: >During the early to mid-1990s, Marxism Today was at

Re: Remotely destroy computers if music pirates persist, Hatch says

2003-06-18 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L] Remotely destroy computers if music pirates persist, Hatch says in line with Hatch's rampant and untamable sexuality, it also says "You make a dead man cum." Or as the Folksmen sing it in the recent film "A Mighty Wind," "you make a dead man Kum-ba-yah." --

War on spam

2003-06-18 Thread Kenneth Campbell
On the one hand, I hate having to wade through 300+ email crap every day. (I have old, Web published, email addresses from media work. Those addresses have been harvested and used by spammers -- as I would imagine many in academia also have a problem with.) It would be nice to only get email from s

Re: Remotely destroy computers if music pirates persist, Hatch says

2003-06-18 Thread ravi
Devine, James wrote: > Ignored here is the fact that Hatch is the uncredited co-author of the > Rolling Stones' "Start Me Up." > which was the theme song for windows2000 (or was it xp)? hmmm! i see a conspiracy here. btw, doesn't the song go: "you make a grown man cry"? seems appropriate! ;-)

Re: Remotely destroy computers if music pirates persist, Hatch says

2003-06-18 Thread Michael Hoover
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/18/03 6:24 PM >>> Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, The senator, a composer who earned $18,000 last year in song-writing royalties, down the hatch is pals with u2's 'socially conscious' bono (who told oh that his songwriting moniker should be johnny trapdoor), well it's a one for

Re: Remotely destroy computers if music pirates persist, Hatch says

2003-06-18 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L] Remotely destroy computers if music pirates persist, Hatch says Ignored here is the fact that Hatch is the uncredited co-author of the Rolling Stones' "Start Me Up." Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine > -Or

Re: Remotely destroy computers if music pirates persist, Hatch says

2003-06-18 Thread ravi
Ian Murray wrote: > > Btw, my college roommate's father used to work for the CIA. In the 60's he > and some others went to IBM requesting a Google like technology. The folks > at IBM told them it was impossible to build and they didn't mean it in > 'not with current technology' sense. My friend sho

Re: Remotely destroy computers if music pirates persist, Hatch says

2003-06-18 Thread Kenneth Campbell
>> And Ian replied, and very very quickly, by the way: >> >> > http://www.hatchmusic.com/songs.html >> >> I do not want to know why you have that URL so close >> at hand, Ian. > > = > > Hello, Google, Hello. Uh huh. Suuure, Ian. :) >Btw, my college roommate's father used to wo

Re: Modest Michael

2003-06-18 Thread ravi
Eugene Coyle wrote: > I turned the radio on today when I was having lunch. > > Discovered our modest leader, Michael, being interviewed on Pacifica's > KPFA about intellectual property. I missed half the program because > Michael didn't tell us ahead of time that he would be on the radio. > > What

Re: Remotely destroy computers if music pirates persist, Hatch says

2003-06-18 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Kenneth Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I wrote: > > >> I never knew Hatch was such a Renaissance Man... Wonder > >> what the tunes were? $18,000 in 2002 royalties... > > And Ian replied, and very very quickly, by the way: > > > http://www.hatchmusic.com/songs

Re: Remotely destroy computers if music pirates persist, Hatch says

2003-06-18 Thread Kenneth Campbell
I wrote: >> I never knew Hatch was such a Renaissance Man... Wonder >> what the tunes were? $18,000 in 2002 royalties... And Ian replied, and very very quickly, by the way: > http://www.hatchmusic.com/songs.html I do not want to know why you have that URL so close at hand, Ian. The Hatch disco

Re: Remotely destroy computers if music pirates persist, Hatch says

2003-06-18 Thread Doug Henwood
Kenneth Campbell wrote: The more I study religions, the more I am convinced that man has never worshipped anything but himself. -- Richard F. Burton "Sad men made angels of the sun..." - Wallace Stevens

Re: Remotely destroy computers if music pirates persist, Hatch says

2003-06-18 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Kenneth Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:24 PM Subject: [PEN-L] Remotely destroy computers if music pirates persist, Hatch says > I never knew Hatch was such a Renaissance Man... Wonder what the tunes > were

Manitoba to create greenhouse gas exchange

2003-06-18 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Manitoba to create greenhouse gas exchange Canadian Press Wednesday, Jun. 18, 2003 Manitoba is formally pursuing the creation of a commodities exchange to buy and sell greenhouse gas emission credits. The NDP government has asked Lloyd Axworthy, former Winnipeg MP and foreign affairs minister,

Remotely destroy computers if music pirates persist, Hatch says

2003-06-18 Thread Kenneth Campbell
I never knew Hatch was such a Renaissance Man... Wonder what the tunes were? $18,000 in 2002 royalties... Poor music industry fighting the Internet... now making allies with Tin Pan Alley Hatch... and becoming a government sanctioned virus propagator. Ken. -- The more I study religions, the more

Modest Michael

2003-06-18 Thread Eugene Coyle
I turned the radio on today when I was having lunch. Discovered our modest leader, Michael, being interviewed on Pacifica's KPFA about intellectual property. I missed half the program because Michael didn't tell us ahead of time that he would be on the radio. What I heard was good -- and I heard

Re: Complexity

2003-06-18 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Barkley Rosser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I think Ralph Abraham is a genius. He is also > a great coiner of phrases, including the "blue > bagel catastrophe" and "chaostrophe" and > "morphodynamics." He also discovered "chaotic > hysteresis," although I am the

Re: Complexity

2003-06-18 Thread Barkley Rosser
Les, My quick answer is that in your list 1-3 are more foundational and have little direct applications in economics. One does find quite a few applications of points 4-6, although largely in pretty theoretical and mathematically oriented literature. I think Ralph Abraham is a genius.

Re: Complexity

2003-06-18 Thread Barkley Rosser
My view on the "four C's" is laid out in my Journal of Economic Perspectives, 1999, article, "On the Complexity of Complex Economic Dynamics," which can be seen on my website, with a much more thorough discussion in the book I have already mentioned. Briefly, there were indeed "intellectual bu

Re: Straussians

2003-06-18 Thread David S. Shemano
Title: RE: [PEN-L] Straussians <> I would definitely get rid of Puerto Rico.  I would keep the Virgin Islands, Samoa and Guam. Everybody knows the moon landing was a hoax, so that is a non-issue. David Shemano  

Re: frontline: home | PBS

2003-06-18 Thread Barkley Rosser
Interesting. I stand corrected. In the Communist Manifesto, M&E use the term "capitalist," but not "capitalism," although mostly they speak of "bourgeois" and "modern industry." In "The German Ideology," which predates the CM, Marx contrasts "communism" with "political economy." Curiously b

Re: 'Straussians' in the news; the world trembles (II)

2003-06-18 Thread dsquared
On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:47:10 -0700, "David S. Shemano" wrote: >3.  I have no personal knowledge whether Straussians >are secretive or >elitist, I bet you do really, but you're not telling us. dd

Re: Straussians

2003-06-18 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L] Straussians That's right. So the US rocket ships carrying cheese from the moon would have to pay toll. BTW, I should have mentioned that though the vast majority of pen-l would agree with Jahn's manifesto, David Shemano would not. ;-) Jim -Original Message- Fro

Re: mass graves

2003-06-18 Thread Barkley Rosser
I am not sure why this string was cut off at 9/11, although a couple seem to be from after it. A lot of these seem to come from the early 90s, although maybe some of the ones in the Kurdish regions are from more recent times. I think the real issue to confront the war propagandists with is ho

Re: Complexity

2003-06-18 Thread Les Schaffer
i agree chaos and complexity studies have a fad __component__. Sabri Oncu writes: : However, with what I know about chaos, and it is not much, mind : you, my subjective judgment is that "chaos" is a fad as : "topology" was once to "mathematical analysis" or "game theory" : was to "economics". to

Re: Straussians

2003-06-18 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * The Moon belongs to America because we got there first, and our space > program should make good this claim === As the USSR was the first to reach extra-earth space, shouldn't all of non-earth space-time belo

Re: 'Straussians' in the news; the world trembles (II)

2003-06-18 Thread andie nachgeborenen
2.  I am not claiming that Straussians have a monopoly of interest in the contemporary relevance of the ancients.  However, I think a fair review of the intellectual history supports the notion that Strauss, who began writing on the topic in the 1930s, was as responsible, if not more responsible,

Re: 'Straussians' in the news; the world trembles (II)

2003-06-18 Thread Devine, James
 David writes:>  I have no personal knowledge whether Straussians are secretive or elitist ...   <    of course! they keep it secret.   Jim

Re: 'Straussians' in the news; the world trembles (II)

2003-06-18 Thread David S. Shemano
A couple of random responses:   1.  The difference between Strauss and Straussians is a major topic of discussion on the Strauss list.   2.  I am not claiming that Straussians have a monopoly of interest in the contemporary relevance of the ancients.  However, I think a fair review of the intell

Re: Straussians

2003-06-18 Thread Devine, James
there are also none in our poli. sci. department.   Of course, if the Straussians are indeed nihilists as Jahn suggests, then they wouldn't fit well at a Jesuit university.   BTW, here's the entire list of slogans from Jahn's web-site: Welcome to The American Nationalist, a website dedicated t

Re: Straussians

2003-06-18 Thread andie nachgeborenen
My colleague in philosophy says there are no Straussians in his department at Loyola Marymount Univ. * * * There wouldn't be. They'd be in polisci departments. I never heard of Straussianism in philosophy. jks Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

Re: Straussians

2003-06-18 Thread Devine, James
Title: Straussians I should mention that the author, Karl Jahn, is extremely conservative. His web-site has the slogan "Fighting the Never-Ending Battle for Truth, Justice, and the American Way" at the top. Still, he seems pretty perceptive about the Straussians. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & 

Straussians

2003-06-18 Thread Devine, James
Title: Straussians My colleague in philosophy says there are no Straussians in his department at Loyola Marymount Univ. He also directed me to a useful web-site at: http://home.earthlink.net/~karljahn/Strauss.htm. Some quotes from the essay there, by Karl Jahn: >The Straussians are also

Re: 'Straussians' in the news; the world trembles (II)

2003-06-18 Thread andie nachgeborenen
I don't agree with David that the Straussians are particularly responsible for reviving the ancients. They've never really been out. The study of Palto was part of the 19th century Oxbridge education for very Straussian reasons -- to teach the Rulers to Do Their Duty by the hoi poloi. Course the an

Re: 'Straussians' in the news; the world trembles (II)

2003-06-18 Thread Peter Dorman
To follow up on Jim's fourth point, networks are very important in staffing political positions.  There are many social networks out there, most of them invisible to those on the outside.  When a new administration takes power, it relies on the networks it's tied into for recruitment.  This is

Housing Affordability Worsens

2003-06-18 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
* For Immediate Release: June 17, 2003 For More Information: Kim Schaffer, National Low Income Housing Coalition, 202-662-1530 x230 Housing Affordability Worsens State of the Nation's Housing 2003 finds 3 in 10 households have affordability problems By many measures, 2002 was another strong

Re: 'Straussians' in the news; the world trembles (II)

2003-06-18 Thread Peter Dorman
Actually, I bring a Dewey perspective to questions relating to democracy. Virtue is not something people simply have, nor is it likely to be the product of cloistered study. Ordinary, somewhat virtuous people can produce more or less beneficial social groups depending on the ways they constitute

Re: 'Straussians' in the news; the world trembles (II)

2003-06-18 Thread Devine, James
three points:   1. It's important to distinguish Strauss from the Straussians. (Similarly, Marx is quite different from the Marxians, while Friedman is different from the Friedmaniacs, though not much.) Strauss was a scholar who came up with a lot of scholarly interpretations, many of which wer

Re: 'Straussians' in the news; the world trembles (II)

2003-06-18 Thread David S. Shemano
In addition to this list, I receive the Strauss list, which is maintained at Yahoo Groups.  I have also read quite a bit of Strauss.  Strauss took Marx very seriously as a philosopher.  One of his books, On Tyranny, contains an exchange of letters with Alexandre Kojeve regarding, among other th

Re: 'Straussians' in the news; the world trembles (II)

2003-06-18 Thread David S. Shemano
In addition to this list, I receive the Strauss list, which is maintained at Yahoo Groups.  I have also read quite a bit of Strauss.  Strauss took Marx very seriously as a philosopher.  One of his books, On Tyranny, contains an exchange of letters with Alexandre Kojeve regarding, amon

Re: commentary

2003-06-18 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L] commentary >Iraqis, Iranians, Pakistanis, Saudis, Taliban, al-Qaida ... it's all too much for many geographically challenged Americans. Don't bother us with the details and strange names, they say, kill 'em all, God will sort 'em out. The Muslim 'A-rabs' did 9/11 and we got

commentary

2003-06-18 Thread Dan Scanlan
http://www.canoe.ca/Columnists/margolis_jun15.html Toronto Sun June 15, 2003 U.S. media caved in to the Bush agenda By Eric Margolis -- Contributing Foreign Editor Why, readers in the U.S. keep asking me, are so many Americans unconcerned their government appears to have misled them and Con

Re: Banned in Iraq

2003-06-18 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L] Banned in Iraq speaking of which, here's a letter to the editors of the L.A. TIMES: "With all the recent disclosures about the false infomation used by the Bush administration as grounds for the Iraq invasion, the worst of all scenarios has come to pass -- the French were

Re: Tony Blair and the Marxists

2003-06-18 Thread Louis Proyect
Chris Burford wrote: http://www.opendemocracy.net/themes/article-3-1093.jsp Open Democracy is an ideological Stealth bomber. It positions itself as another "alternative" news and information outlet, but the funders and backers include banks, Rockefeller Foundation, etc. and ideologically can be

Re: "Our Sorry Asses Are Ready to Go Home"

2003-06-18 Thread Max B. Sawicky
I've heard this is becoming a big problem. The overuse of reserves. Presently the U.S. doesn't have enough troops to defend an Empire, and I think it won't easily get there. Bush's main problem becomes pulling back. mbs -Original Message- From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Beh

Re: Tony Blair and the Marxists

2003-06-18 Thread Max B. Sawicky
I'd love to see Tony Blair's contributions to Marxism Today (the magazine, not the movement). mbs -Original Message- From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Burford Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tony Blair and the Marxists The

Who Owns What/Media Ownership

2003-06-18 Thread Michael Hoover
Here's an interesting and worthwhile webpage http://www.cjr.org/owners/ for those who are interested in learning more about the extent of media concentration in this country (and world). This page is maintained by the Columbia Journalism Review, a magazine published by Columbia University's Gradu

1996 -- the Roots of the Detention Crisis

2003-06-18 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
* Detained or Disappeared? by Tram Nguyen, ColorLines Executive Editor Before the 9/11 round-ups, INS detention had already grown into a system handling 150,000 immigrants a year. Tram Nguyen looks for the connections ...In addition to the 9/11 detainees, the ranks of INS detainees include th

"Our Sorry Asses Are Ready to Go Home"

2003-06-18 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
* New York Times June 15, 2003 Anxious and Weary of War, G.I.'s Face a New Iraq Mission By STEVEN LEE MYERS ...After fighting their way from the Kuwaiti border to Saddam International Airport in three fierce weeks, they believed that the war - or at least their part of it - was over. Six mo

Re: frontline: home | PBS

2003-06-18 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
> >That's an outrageous policy, of course, but if I were on mainstream >TV, I wouldn't use "capitalist" or "capitalism" either - I'd opt for >more acceptable euphemisms. I've found over the years that lots of >ordinary people are susceptible to Marxist analyses as long as they >don't know that