[NYTimes]
June 20, 2003
Talks Collapse on U.S. Efforts to Open Europe to Biotech Food
By DAVID LEONHARDT
WASHINGTON, June 19 - Talks between the United States and the European
Union over opening up Europe to genetically modified foods broke down in
Geneva today, the Bush administration announced,
Wired News reports that Hatch's own web site has code that is unlicensed.
I don't think that he would like you do destroy his server, but you never
know.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hardly a master at all. Yes, the term was used, but does not seem to be
that common. I located several sources, but it was not common. It mostly
had to do with financial manipulation. Marx seemed to be trying to
integrate the concept into value theory, but he never finished the task.
I have no
Actually, it was sort of like a Mussolini vision of fascism. Rathenau
organized the industrialists. The state was relatively ineffectual and
was relatively discredited. Just reading that today in
Tooze, J. Adam. 2001. Statistics and the German State, 1900-1945:
The Making of Modern Economic Know
Barkley's comments on chaos/catastrophe/power law theories are first rate.
By the way, Sam Bowles runs the econ. program at the Santa Fe Institute.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jim:
> it's interesting (and perhaps sad from Sabri's perspective)
> that the whole idea of "scientific revolutions" was pushed
> by many people on the left (embracing Kuhn).
I may be a leftist but whatever I say about science is based on
my personal experiences in the wonderland as one of the tr
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From: "Michael Perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Bryce, Robert. 2002. Pipe Dreams: Greed, Ego, Jealousy and the Death of
> Enron with What Went Wrong at Enron Today (PublicAffairs).
> 222: "Skilling was able to convince a nearly constant parade of
reporters
> that Enron
1. Traditional
A good brief discussion of the concept in the Marxian tradition is in Tom
Bottomore(ed), A Dictionary of Marxist Thought. I think maybe Laurence
Harris wrote it.
I think by fictitious capital Marx himself means all financial claims to
part of the surplus product (surplus value) whic
With regard to this question of "revolutions," I think
that the one where there may be a political element is
the continuing undervaluation of catastrophe theory.
Chaos theory and complexity theory are much more
easily house-broken ideologically, so to speak. After
all, there is a right-wing,
Title: RE: [PEN-L] Complexity
it's interesting (and perhaps sad from Sabri's perspective) that the whole idea of "scientific revolutions" was pushed by many people on the left (embracing Kuhn).
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
>
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From: "Sabri Oncu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Barkley:
>
> > Today, chaos theory is just normal science.
>
> Exactly! And a good one I would say.
>
> This has been my point all along.
>
> I am sick and tired of hearing about the soliton revolution,
> chaos revolution, com
Barkley:
> Today, chaos theory is just normal science.
Exactly! And a good one I would say.
This has been my point all along.
I am sick and tired of hearing about the soliton revolution,
chaos revolution, complexity revolution and the like.
These are not revolutions. These are "natural/normal"
The Spring Issue of the Journal of Economic Perspectives contains
three articles under the above heading that you may find
interesting. The Healy and Palepu article on "The Fall of Enron"
is an excellent summary of what happened at Enron and may be
quite useful for those who are interested in the s
heck, didn't
the US leave a bunch of radioactive materials unprotected in Iraq? that didn't
have negative effects, did it? (Maybe this proves the laissez-faire theory of
nuclear regulation?)
It's notable
that he didn't object to someone writing to _him_. Instead, he sought out the
offensive ma
Yeah, I'm worried -- what's he doing wasting his time surfing the net when he should be keeping track of all that plutonium? jksEugene Coyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Barkley, he's in charge of the nuclear program at DOE. Worried now?Barkley Rosser wrote:
Michael,
Not to worry..yet. Th
Great, a racist nut case in charge of
DOE nuke programs!
Barkley Rosser
- Original Message -
From:
Eugene
Coyle
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 5:06
PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Friendly advice from
the government??? to the list
Barkley, h
Les,
Guess you had better send me your email
address and we can deal with certain matters
offlist. Sorry figures not available on the website
version. They were supposed to be there.
I got the chaotic hysteresis thing from his
"cartoon" book with Shaw in 1987. The first
economic appli
Well, I just commented on Sornette, I guess.
I have defended long waves on this list before,
but I do not think Sornette's methods prove they
exist. Yes, these kinds of predictions are the sort
of stuff for hyping sales of the book.
Again, indeed the power law stuff that is the
main point
Sornette's book is clearly a wild overhype,
although containing a lot of useful stuff. I am
having it reviewed for the Journal of Economic
Behavior and Organization.
It is part of a broader current fad, which is
a subset of complex dynamics, the so-called
econophysics movement. Power la
Sabri,
The fad phase of cybernetics was the 1950s
and 1960s. Today it lives in modern complexity stuff.
The fad phase of catastrophe theory was the 1970s.
Today it is dead, except when appearing under
other names, which it is increasingly doing so again.
The fad phase for chaos theory was th
Barkley, he's in charge of the nuclear program at DOE. Worried now?
Barkley Rosser wrote:
Michael,
Not to worry..yet. This clown is from DOE, not
DOD or DOJ or HOS.
Barkley Rosser
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From: "michael perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Se
Supposedly the model for Lenin of state planning
of the economy was the wartime planning by the
Imperial German government during WW I, not
quite full blown fascism, but sure as hell not socialism
either.
Barkley Rosser
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From: "Max B. Sawicky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To
Title: RE: [PEN-L] Fictitious Capital website
Goldner writes:
>>Out of this pre-1914 reality, and the defeats of the
revolutions of 1917-21, came the "planning states" of the
1930s―Stalinist, fascist, corporatist, Social Democratic,
Keynesian, Third World Bonapartist<<
Michael Hoover quot
Michael,
Not to worry..yet. This clown is from DOE, not
DOD or DOJ or HOS.
Barkley Rosser
- Original Message -
From: "michael perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:00 AM
Subject: [PEN-L] Friendly advice from the government??? to the
Well, I am way too busy to check out this new site,
indeed will probably be getting off this one tomorrow
(was up to 6 AM this morning working). But the term
"fictitious capital" way predates Marx. Adam Smith
used it and I think it probably originated with Richard
Cantillon, who was a succes
Louis Proyect:
Goldner writes:
>>Out of this pre-1914 reality, and the defeats of the revolutions of 1917-21, came
>>the "planning states" of the 1930s―Stalinist, fascist, corporatist, Social
>>Democratic, Keynesian, Third World Bonapartist<<
To put it as succinctly as possible, this has more i
The guy retired in the mid 80's after messing with computers for 30 years.
He was pretty sick of them and only got a pc last xmas. He was no dummy
and my friend' [MS with honors in enviro. engineering, Johns Hopkins] only
lack of judgement is his relationship with me.
Ian
- Original Messag
States expected to flood Boeing with 7E7 bids
Thursday, June 19, 2003
By PAUL NYHAN AND CHARLES POPE
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTERS
States will blanket The Boeing Co. with proposals tomorrow -- everything
from $100 million in tax breaks in Palmdale, Calif., to decades of tax
abatements in M
Title: RE: [PEN-L] Remotely destroy computers if music pirates persist, Hatch says
worse, may he is one of the CIA's leading lights...
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
> -Original Message-
> From: Barkley Rosser [mailto
The really bizarre twist in this tale is that this
guy's dad was still unaware of google's capabilities
as recently as last Christmas? This guy does not
appear to have been one of the CIA's leading lights.
Barkley Rosser
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From: "ravi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL
About current credit system and fictitious capital, I Think below;
(B
(BAnalysis of contemporary capitalism
(B
(B In the historical disputes among various Marxist parties, there have been
(Bmany problems at issue for the development of capitalism,for example, the
(Blaw of capitalist developme
Frustration and Foreboding in Fallujah
For Men at Mosque, U.S. Occupation Is Focus of Anger and Reflection of
Unmet Expectations
By Anthony Shadid
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, June 19, 2003; Page A16
FALLUJAH, Iraq, June 18 -- A little before 1 p.m., in a city seething
with discontent,
Nation review | Posted June 19, 2003
The Empire Strikes Back
by Anatol Lieven
American Empire: The Realities and Consequences of US Diplomacy
by Andrew J. Bacevich
Special Providence: American Foreign Policy and How It Changed the World
by Walter Russell Mead
Empire: The Rise and Demise of the Bri
I got this note this morning. I get plenty of complaints about the archives,
but this one is different.
from: "Chilman, Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Chilman, Walter" wrote:
> Dear Michael...
>
> one notices, does not one, how the internet is getting loaded up with what
> should really be consid
I did not sense any insults. Yes, Marx did discuss government bonds as
fictitious capital. It was a term used in classical political economy.
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 09:00:13AM -0700, Devine, James wrote:
> I didn't mean to insult Loren Goldner. If anyone takes it that way, I'm
> sorry.
>
> Am I
In a message dated 6/19/03 7:49:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
>I want to urge Marxmail and PEN-L subscribers to take a look at the
Fictitious Capital website (www.munism.com) that was announced recently
and specifically at the Introduction. It has all the strengths and
we
Title: RE: [PEN-L] Fictitious Capital website
I didn't mean to insult Loren Goldner. If anyone takes it that way, I'm sorry.
Am I correct to remember that Marx once referred to government bonds as "fictitious capital" since they pay interest without representing a claim on surplus-value? (Th
Loren was influenced by L. Marcus, but says that he parted ways once L. M.
went off the deep end. As I mentioned to Jim D. off list, Marx does
include a broader version of fic. capital in dealing with the
devalorization of real capital goods.
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 08:50:38AM -0700, Devine, Jame
Kelley wrote:
> At 11:12 AM 6/19/03 -0400, ravi wrote:
>
>> its a pity he has not applied his advice to his own idle scraps of
>> thought! btw, is his name chilman or hild?
>
> It looks as if he's a little dimwitted, using a pseudonym and
> forgetting that he has a from address that identifies him.
Title: RE: [PEN-L] Fictitious Capital website
I remember encountering an author's almost-obsessive fascination with "fictitious capital" when I picked up a book by Lyn Marcus (who morphed into Lyndon Larouche). Maybe it's good to study such things, but isn't Marx's concept of "fictitious capit
Bryce, Robert. 2002. Pipe Dreams: Greed, Ego, Jealousy and the Death of
Enron with What Went Wrong at Enron Today (PublicAffairs).
222: "Skilling was able to convince a nearly constant parade of reporters
that Enron's trading business was invincible. Other companies were going
to explode as Enron
The new German stereotype: holiday-addicted and out to lunch
Jeevan Vasagar in Berlin
Thursday June 19, 2003
The Guardian
The German worker's reputation for being eager and industrious is under
attack, not from a xenophobic British tabloid but from the country's
economics minister.
Far from the
At 11:12 AM 6/19/03 -0400, ravi wrote:
> from: "Chilman, Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> "Chilman, Walter" wrote:
>
>>Dear Michael...
>>
>>one notices, does not one, how the internet is getting loaded up with what
>>should really be considered idle scraps of thought generally unconnected
>>with any
I don't think it's an either (wholesale destruction . . . etc.)
or (planning).
I would say planning is part of fascism. It entails plans
by select interests to crush or swallow up competing ones,
as well as to milk the working class.
I see a fair amount of such planning right here. The Dept
of
I am not sure if Walter/Ivan is really who he claims to be.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
michael perelman wrote:
> I got this note this morning. I get plenty of complaints about the archives,
> but this one is different.
>
> from: "Chilman, Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> "Chilman, Walter" wrote:
>
>>Dear Michael...
>>
>>one notices, does not one, how the internet is getting loaded up
At 08:00 AM 6/19/03 -0700, michael perelman wrote:
I got this note this morning. I get plenty of complaints about the archives,
but this one is different.
from: "Chilman, Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Wow! what a #*%!head!
But nice move, now if anyone decided to search on his email address (or if
W
Title: against Chandler's Visible Hand
June 19, 2003/NY TIMES
Specialization Is the Rage
By VIRGINIA POSTREL
SEARS is selling its credit card division, almost certainly to a specialized financial business. To let customers charge their purchases, retailers no longer have to run their own cre
I want to urge Marxmail and PEN-L subscribers to take a look at the
Fictitious Capital website (www.munism.com) that was announced recently
and specifically at the Introduction. It has all the strengths and
weaknesses of the sort of left-communism that the webmaster Loren
Goldner is associated
Barkley wrote:
> I think Ralph Abraham is a genius.
i liked his cartoon books on dynamics very much. it was his text w/
Marsden and Ratiu that puts me to sleep.
> He also discovered "chaotic hysteresis," although I am the one who
> coined that term.
can you send me your paper on this offlist, i
>What's your view on Didier Sornette and log-periodic
power laws? Another intellectual bubble developing?
I've got his "Why Stock Markets Crash" and there is
some good stuff there, but he appears to be trying to
extend his theory into a general principle of stock
market movements. HE's also predi
I think on re-reading Louis Proyect's criticisms for this post, I did not
do justice to them because they do criticise assumptions in Angela
McRobbie's article that are one type of Gramscianism. But LP's post starts
with a strident criticism of openDemocracy which attacks the article by
associa
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