Re: Western rationality

2003-11-10 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
No, you already won, you've got the spouse, I haven't. I am not trying to be competitive with you, as far as I am concerned, you're a friend of mine. It is just that the notion of Western rationality gets pressed into the service of the foreign policy of many a Western country, and therefore, we

Re: western rationality

2003-11-10 Thread Sabri Oncu
Jurriaan: Winning arguments is only an aim if it's against the political opposition. But let's not get confused about whose side we are on. I second that. Sabri

Re: the socialism of risks/costs

2003-11-10 Thread Seth Sandronsky
Ian, I recall business in one of the Carolinas prevented United from opening an aircraft maintenance center during the 1990s. The carrier’s unionized workers were/are a threat to low wages of non-union proles in such “right to work” states. Seth Sandronsky Date:Sun, 9 Nov 2003 22:14:49

Re: the socialism of risks/costs

2003-11-10 Thread Devine, James
I'm pretty sure that Gore was quoting Norman Thomas. Jim -Original Message- From: joanna bujes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 11/9/2003 10:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: Re: [PEN-L] the socialism of risks/costs

Re: me in DC

2003-11-10 Thread Bill Lear
On Sunday, November 9, 2003 at 14:32:43 (-0500) Doug Henwood writes: I'll be in DC on a self-promotional junket tomorrow. If you're in town, please stop by! Details: Saw you on TeeVee last night with David B. Good stuff Doug. It's so refreshing to see a responsible grownup slip the covers off

Re: Western rationality

2003-11-10 Thread ravi
Sabri Oncu wrote: Hey! This is not an insult but a great praise. I take pride in being irrational. I don't think heart and reason are separable. but then, 'the heart has its reasons, that reason does not know'! --ravi

Re: Western rationality

2003-11-10 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
but then, 'the heart has its reasons, that reason does not know'! I think it is in reality more like, 'the heart has its reasons, that reason does not admit'. J.

Re: sweatshop surplus-value

2003-11-10 Thread Devine, James
There's nothing wrong with the calculation. What's happened is that productive capital has spread from the center to the periphery (here, Haiti), so that the first type of surplus-value creation is occurring on almost a world scale. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]

bombing in Iraq

2003-11-10 Thread Devine, James
From MS SLATE: USA [TODAY], alone among the papers, fronts what it calls the ratcheting up of U.S. firepower in Iraq: U.S. warplanes dropped (precision-guided) bombs near both Fallujah and Tikrit on Friday and Saturday. An unnamed defense official called the air attacks the strongest use of power

Will WTO's Steel Decision Affect the Election?

2003-11-10 Thread e. ahmet tonak
** EU scores steel victory over US ** The World Trade Organisation declares US tariffs on steel imports inconsistent with free trade, in a major victory for the European Union. http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/business/3256197.stm E. Ahmet Tonak Professor of Economics Simon's Rock

US troops clash with 'PKK rebels'

2003-11-10 Thread e. ahmet tonak
First, the Turkish government was forced to cancel the 10,000 troops deployment in Iraq. Now, Turkish Kurds also joined the Iraqi resistance. ** US troops clash with 'PKK rebels' ** American troops have clashed with suspected Turkish Kurd rebels based in northern Iraq, it emerges.

Re: US troops clash with 'PKK rebels'

2003-11-10 Thread Michael Perelman
There must be more did this story. I know that the Kurds fight with each other, and they don't have a common enemy. Surely they don't want the United States to become more directly involved with their struggle against Turkey. e. ahmet tonak wrote: First, the Turkish government was forced

Re: US troops clash with 'PKK rebels'

2003-11-10 Thread e. ahmet tonak
I didn't say the Iraqi Kurdish resistance, I said the Iraqi resistance, which mostly consists of --for the moment--non-Kurdish Iraqis. I agree with the rest of your observation. Ahmet Michael Perelman wrote: There must be more did this story. I know that the Kurds fight with each other, and

Re: US troops clash with 'PKK rebels'

2003-11-10 Thread Sabri Oncu
Ahemt: I didn't say the Iraqi Kurdish resistance, I said the Iraqi resistance, which mostly consists of --for the moment--non-Kurdish Iraqis. Foreign Minister Gul's statement says Turkish Kurds clashed not only with the US troops but also with Iraqi Kurds. This is an interesting development.

The next survivor series

2003-11-10 Thread joanna bujes
Apparently, this is making the rounds. I got it from my little sister. (Diane Monaco are you there?) THE NEXT SURVIVOR SERIES Six married men will be dropped on an island for six weeks with 1 car and 4 kids each. Each kid plays two sports and either takes music or dance class. There is no access

Re: The next survivor series

2003-11-10 Thread Sabri Oncu
I could do without the last paragraph. Also, where's the realism? Why doesn't the mom-guy also have a full time job? Joanna This is why I respect my spouse so much. Not that I watch tv and all but most of the time I get lost in my books and she does the work. Marx was right: females are the

Re: The next survivor series

2003-11-10 Thread joanna bujes
Perhaps the single state of some women is the expression of this revolt...or at least revulsion. It's also hard to revolt when you have to take care of the kids. I have the luxury of an income that enables me to support my kids; many women do not have that luxury. But, yes, women and nature are

Re: The next survivor series

2003-11-10 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Haven't lived with women for many years, and will not watch stupid middleclass competitive TV programmes like that, among other things because they are part of the pernicious ideology of treating adults as children and vice versa, such that social regulation occurs through a hierarchy of

Re: The next survivor series

2003-11-10 Thread ravi
Jurriaan Bendien wrote: ... moralising ideology ... mindless sex and violence. there's mindless sex on survivor? damn!! i need to start watching the show... its moralising ideology that is currently preventing TV from becoming all-porn all the time :-(. ;-) ;-) --ravi

Re: The next survivor series

2003-11-10 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
there's mindless sex on survivor? damn!! i need to start watching the show... its moralising ideology that is currently preventing TV from becoming all-porn all the time :-(. In that case, you just have either mindless sex or the negation of mindless sex through christian moralism, but all I

Re: The next survivor series

2003-11-10 Thread ravi
Jurriaan Bendien wrote: there's mindless sex on survivor? damn!! i need to start watching the show... its moralising ideology that is currently preventing TV from becoming all-porn all the time :-(. In that case, you just have either mindless sex or the negation of mindless sex through christian

spinning the steel case

2003-11-10 Thread Eubulides
Trade war looms as US defies WTO Andrew Osborn in Brussels and David Gow Tuesday November 11, 2003 The Guardian A trade war between Europe and America threatened to reignite last night after the US rejected a final ruling from the World Trade Organisation that its protectionist tariffs on

the Pentagon's latest branch office

2003-11-10 Thread Eubulides
New Office to Coordinate Iraq Contracts Pentagon Facility in Baghdad to Set Reconstruction Spending Priorities By Jackie Spinner Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, November 11, 2003; Page E01 A new Pentagon office in Baghdad will coordinate and set priorities for Iraq reconstruction

China: trade policy

2003-11-10 Thread Eubulides
China Trade Policy's Ripple Effect Limit on Soybean Imports Is Felt Widely in Country's Economy By Peter S. Goodman Washington Post Foreign Service Tuesday, November 11, 2003; Page E01 HARBIN, China -- Under a pale autumn sky, Chang Wuqing unloads sacks of soybeans from the cart of his rusted