Reparations!

2004-05-07 Thread Chris Burford
The demand by the Iraqis, and the offer by Rumsfeld, of compensation for the victims of hegemonic abuse is an interesting precedent in the fast developing scenario.Its not just half a dozen cases. Writing a letter on an e-mail list will not change the world, but I continue to think that the demand

The WAIF

2004-05-07 Thread soula avramidis
The Waif looking soldier is Lynndie England, according to the BBC comes from a dirt poor trailer park in west virginia where the army was the only way out of poverty. But is it not that S&M a thing which is exclusive to upper class aristocracy as in the marquis de sade, has something been done abou

Spain Won't Send Troops Back to Iraq (Iraq Communist Party statement. . .)

2004-05-07 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 1:33 PM -0400 5/6/04, Doug Henwood wrote: the U.S. occupation but think some sort of international presence excluding the U.S. might be warranted Even if it were warranted, it would not be likely, because no one wants to do it: * Spain Won't Send Troops Back to Iraq Friday May 7, 2004 12:1

Re: Article on Chalabi

2004-05-07 Thread Michael Perelman
Interesting article. I especially enjoyed the insights about the further marginalization of the neocons. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu

Re: imperalist booty

2004-05-07 Thread Ted Winslow
Tom Walker wrote: The reference is to page 706 of the English translation, Vintage Books. At some level the distinctions between wealth, value and capital may be straightforward but they're not so at the margins. Marx, as I read the passage, quotes approvingly of the notion that "real wealth" is

SATURDAY: World Tribunal on Iraq, NYC Session @ Cooper Union

2004-05-07 Thread Sabri Oncu
New York Session of the World Tribunal on Iraq Saturday, May 8, 2004 Cooper Union, Great Hall [7 East 7th Street at 3rd Av, NYC] ALL DAY - Starts 10:00 a.m. [doors open 9:30 a.m.] www.worldtribunal-nyc.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] FREE - donations welcome Bombs have been dropped and lives shatte

imperalist booty

2004-05-07 Thread Charles Brown
From: andie nachgeborenen -clip- Even if one insisted that a materialist explanation must be economic, all you would have to say is that imperialism against the third world occurs because it is _a_ source of profits for the first world; it would not have to be the chief or primary source

Plan B Won't Be Sold Over Counter/Anti-Abortionists Invade Doctor Meeting

2004-05-07 Thread Michael Hoover
Plan B Won't Be Sold Over Counter Fri May 7, 7:36 AM ET By Marc Kaufman, Washington Post Staff Writer The Food and Drug Administration yesterday rejected over-the-counter sales of the emergency contraceptive Plan B, saying the distributor had not proved that young teenagers can take the drug sa

Number of Unchurched Adults Has Nearly Doubled Since 1991

2004-05-07 Thread Michael Hoover
Subject: Barna Update 5.4.04 Number of Unchurched Adults Has Nearly Doubled Since 1991 Did you know that the number of unchurched adults is growing rapidly in this country? This week's report not only measures that growth but also explores the background of unchurched people and provides insights

Re: imperalist booty

2004-05-07 Thread Tom Walker
In reply to Julio Huato, The reference is to page 706 of the English translation, Vintage Books. At some level the distinctions between wealth, value and capital may be straightforward but they're not so at the margins. Marx, as I read the passage, quotes approvingly of the notion that "real wealt

Miltiayr-Industrial Complex

2004-05-07 Thread Joel Wendland
Though this might be of interest: (full article at) http://www.nationinstitute.org/tomdispatch/index.mhtml?emx=x&pid=1385 The Military-Academic Complex: Who's the Real National Champion? By Nicholas Turse Since 1961, thanks to President Dwight D. Eisenhower, we've all been cognizant of the "unwarr

Business as usual for intelligence torturers

2004-05-07 Thread k hanly
Bush sickened, but suspects still at work By Marian Wilkinson, Herald Correspondent in Washington May 8, 2004 Page Tools Email to a friend Printer format Standing in the Rose Garden at the White House, President George Bush declared that the graphic photographs of US military guards abusing Iraqi

Paul Krugman = Mark Jones?

2004-05-07 Thread Devine, James
OP-ED COLUMNIST/New York TIMES/May 7, 2004 The Oil Crunch By PAUL KRUGMAN Before the start of the Iraq war his media empire did so much to promote, Rupert Murdoch explained the payoff: "The greatest thing to come out of this for the world economy, if you could put it that way, would be $20 a barre

Re: Another reason to hate dittoheads

2004-05-07 Thread Devine, James
Joanna writes: > From where I'm sitting, the torture/humiliation of Iraqi civilians/ is all of a piece with the U.S. racist/imperial policy toward Iraq from the first Gulf war. No surprises.< the only true surprise is the existence of the pictures. If Rumsfeld had been the leader he's cracked up

Topping the Cost of World War I

2004-05-07 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
In the midst of the Abu Ghraib torture scandal, the White House had the audacity to ask for "an additional $25 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for the fiscal year that begins in October" -- merely the first installment of war spending estimated to climb to $65-75 billion for FY 2005 (J

Re: imperalist booty

2004-05-07 Thread Julio Huato
Tom Walker wrote: We need to be careful about three distinct relationships here that tend to get confused one for another: wealth, value and capital. Perhaps the confusion results from the fact that they can be readily exchanged for each other. Perhaps capitalism results from the fact that they ca

Re: Grounds of Misunderstanding? was Re: Iraq Communist Party ...

2004-05-07 Thread Doug Henwood
Carrol Cox wrote: I mention this as a possibility, that would explain a good deal of the clashes between me and some others over the last several years. I have never _once_ written about what I think the u.s. should do. I don't think what I think about that is going to butter any parsnips. My focu

Re: Bush apology?

2004-05-07 Thread andie nachgeborenen
George I (of England) spoke no English at all. I don't know how articulate he was in German. --- Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Devine, James wrote: > > >all I noticed was that the King (who speaks English > as a second > >language) seemed more articulate than the Pres. > > I guess sta

Re: Bush apology?

2004-05-07 Thread Doug Henwood
Devine, James wrote: all I noticed was that the King (who speaks English as a second language) seemed more articulate than the Pres. I guess standards vary among hereditary monarchs. Doug

Re: Another reason to hate dittoheads

2004-05-07 Thread joanna bujes
Carrol Cox wrote: The following post on lbo-talk seems relevant to the current discussion on pen-l. John Gulick wrote: Is any self-respecting US leftist truly _shocked and dismayed_ by the casual violence visited upon Iraqi prisoners ? Inquiring minds want to know. Just asking. Isn't it entirely

Re: Bush apology?

2004-05-07 Thread ravi
k hanly wrote: > Bush actually said that he apologised to the King of Jordan for the torture > of Iraqis by US personnel. Why didn't he directly apologise to the Iraqi > people and the victims and their families? Why this strange and roundabout > way of going about the act of apology. Why should be

Re: Bush apology?

2004-05-07 Thread Devine, James
all I noticed was that the King (who speaks English as a second language) seemed more articulate than the Pres. JD -Original Message- From: k hanly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 5/7/2004 8:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject:

Bush apology?

2004-05-07 Thread k hanly
Bush actually said that he apologised to the King of Jordan for the torture of Iraqis by US personnel. Why didn't he directly apologise to the Iraqi people and the victims and their families? Why this strange and roundabout way of going about the act of apology. Why should be he be apologising to t

Article on Chalabi

2004-05-07 Thread k hanly
From Casi-news clippings originally from Salon. Sorry about the formatting, thats the way it came to me, but it seems a worthwhile article on Chalabi's background and machinations. Cheers, Ken Hanly This is long How Ahmed Chalabi conned the neocons The hawks who launched the Iraq war belie

Borowitz again

2004-05-07 Thread Devine, James
[slightly edited] BUSH: IRAQI PRISON SCANDAL RAISES NEW QUESTIONS ABOUT KERRY'S WAR RECORD by Andy Borowitz. Promises Iraqi People Vigorous New Attack Ads Speaking to the Iraqi people last night, President Bush vowed that he would respond to the Iraqi prison scandal with a vigorous new round of

Sage advice on Znet

2004-05-07 Thread Louis Proyect
Znet Kerry Won't Stop the War But independent action can by Mark Harris May 06, 2004 (clip) 'Anybody But Bush' - You Get What You Pay For The "Anybody But Bush" vision now has most of the progressive milieu in its trance, but it is not a vision as much as it is a paucity of vision. Faced with a w

Indentured servitude

2004-05-07 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Times, May 7, 2004 Indian Contract Workers in Iraq Complain of Exploitation By DAVID ROHDE VELICHAKKALA, India, May 5 — Last summer an agent for an Indian recruitment company offered what seemed like the chance of a lifetime to Abdul Aziz Hamid and his younger brother Shahjahan. For an $1,800

Joanne Landy/Leo Casey petitions produce results

2004-05-07 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Times, May 7, 2004 Bush Proposes a Plan to Aid Opponents of Castro in Cuba By CHRISTOPHER MARQUIS WASHINGTON, May 6 - President Bush announced a plan on Thursday to use military aircraft to help American broadcasters reach Cuba and to increase sharply the money for Cuban critics of the governmen

[Fwd: Fw: Why the torture at Abu Ghraib should be no surprise]

2004-05-07 Thread Carrol Cox
I wish some of those who argue that "Out Now!" is "too simplistic" could give some reason to believe that there is any possibility whatever of the U.S. occupation remedying _any_ of the evil it has created; how any other policy than simple withdrawal (any policy, that is, that we could reasonably e

Re: Another reason to hate dittoheads

2004-05-07 Thread Carrol Cox
The following post on lbo-talk seems relevant to the current discussion on pen-l. John Gulick wrote: > > Is any self-respecting US leftist truly _shocked and dismayed_ by the casual > violence visited upon Iraqi prisoners ? Inquiring minds want to know. Just > asking. Isn't it entirely predictable

Re: cheap oil

2004-05-07 Thread "Chris Doss"
I assume that Saudi companies sell to domestic consumers at below market rates, like Russian companies do? LUKoil etc. sell to Russian consumers (and those of some other former Soviet countries) at bargain discounts. I saw a breakdown of the difference in oil costs in Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, t

Re: cheap oil

2004-05-07 Thread Grant Lee
Doug said: > Someone here characterized oil as "cheap." By what measure? Even at > $20 - which it hasn't been for a long time - its cost is well above > the cost of production in the Middle East. At almost $40, there are > huge rents being claimed by elites in oil-exporting countries; being > a ma

Re: cheap oil

2004-05-07 Thread "Chris Doss"
Sorry, I meant gas. -Original Message- From: Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 12:14:03 -0400 Subject: [PEN-L] cheap oil > > Someone here characterized oil as "cheap."

Re: cheap oil

2004-05-07 Thread "Chris Doss"
Incidentally, oil in Russia costs less than in the US. -Original Message- From: Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 12:14:03 -0400 Subject: [PEN-L] cheap oil > > Someone here characterized oil as "cheap." By what measure? Even at > $20 - which it h

Re: Can an imperial army die of shame?

2004-05-07 Thread soula avramidis
What have they discovered that the state is a monolith under monoply capital.. it is so because there is a working class that calls itself a middle class, incidently it is ashamed of the working part, and that votes for the two party system regularly. the slodier is white trash or negro, he was nev

Can an imperial army die of shame?

2004-05-07 Thread Chris Burford
Of course what will really decide how long the hegemonic forces dare stay in Iraq are acts of armed confrontation like the folly of killing 41 Iraqis in order to take the residence of the governor of Najaf from the forces of Al-Sadre, and the success rate of the ambushes on the US supply convoys.