missed this exchange back when. I have a relaxed weekend now, so
read through some posts from people whose opinions I appreciate -- like
you and Andy Nachos there.
You _should_ feel manipulated and insulted.
Advertising is not like free speech. It is a monopolistic control of the
media. I do
Juriaan said, to wit, that on some level
advertising provides information and that if it is not intrusive, if it
is presented in a way which does not interfere with the public space,
then it might offer some service. I am also a great admirer of the
Soviet propaganda posters of the 20's, which Yoshie
u.s. supreme court did not hold advertising ('commercial speech') to
have first amendment protection until 1970s, court has given good deal
of attention to matter since then, rulings have indicated that such
speech is entitled to less protection than political speech, unlikely
that court
right. However, someday we may have a social-democratic government (which is better
than nothing). One thing they should do is impose a tax on advertising. I think it
would be popular.
Jim
-Original Message-
From: Carrol Cox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
There is no good reason to ban advertising, only advertising which does not
provide useful and accurate information about the product. If I am
overposting, I am sorry.
Jurriaan
Sometimes you shock me. There are many, many good reasons to get rid of
advertising. Off
In other words, Joannah, advertising contains content
you disapprove of. Now, seems to me we have a pretty
good rule in this country about regulation of speech
based on content, namely, we don't do it if the speech
is not incitrement to immanent unlawful activity,
obscene, or a solicitaion
Sometimes you shock me.
Socialists do that sometimes, inadvertently.
1. Advertising suggests that we are missing something, that we are
incomplete, and that we can only be completed through consumption.
But we may indeed be missing something and need to find it, in which case we
require good
that there was no such thing as
advertising, department stores and mass communications in Marx's age.
Advertisements, like markets, existed in many civilizations long
before the emergence of capitalism. For instance, archeologists have
found signs advertising taverns and the like in ancient Rome, and
merchants
No, I'm arguing, that advertising isn't netural; I'm arguing that its
rhetoric has an implicit message, that this implicit message is a form
of brainwashing, and that a free society should not promote brainwashing.
My point about the seven deadlies is not an assertion to be taken on
faith
Gold coast slave ship bound for cotton fields,
Sold in a market down in Washington
Slaverdriver knows he's doin' alright.
Hear him whip the women just around midnight.
Ahhh... Brown Sugar how come you taste so good
(A - ha) Brown Sugar, just like a young girl should
A - huh.
Drums beating, cold
Yoshie:
Advertisements, like markets, existed in many civilizations long
before the emergence of capitalism. For instance, archeologists have
found signs advertising taverns and the like in ancient Rome
This makes perfect sense given the state of Imperial America. Next we will
be feeding Marxists
At 4:52 PM -0800 11/11/03, joanna bujes wrote:
No, I'm arguing, that advertising isn't netural; I'm arguing that
its rhetoric has an implicit message, that this implicit message is
a form of brainwashing, and that a free society should not promote
brainwashing.
Advertising isn't neutral
don't know if someone already posted this:
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/9/13/123131/446
A 1998 lawsuit brought by activist Marc Kasky against Nike Inc has been
settled with Nike paying $1.5 million to the Fair Labour Association, a
workplace monitoring group. The lawsuit was in response to
in
advertising borrow everything. Everything is a twist on some
recognizable existent piece of communication.
As to the nature of advertising, itself:
That's their job. I've known many of them over the years. Sit around,
getting bombed by lunch, looking at the world around them, and coming up
with twists
Kenneth Campbell wrote:
Rather, those spouting conventional wisdoms are able to be more easily
understood in the small space of time they will get on camera.
Or, to cite the Far-Sighted Manifesto by Francis Picabia, worn by Andr
Breton on a sandwichboard:
POUR QUE VOUS AIMIEZ
QUELQUE CHOSE
I wrote:
Rather, those spouting conventional wisdoms are
able to be more easily understood in the small
space of time they will get on camera.
Tom Wrote:
Or, to cite the Far-Sighted Manifesto by Francis
Picabia, worn by Andr Breton on a sandwichboard:
POUR QUE VOUS AIMIEZ
QUELQUE CHOSE IL
More hyperbolic shazbot from Business 2.0.
The ad itself is interesting as actual art -- kind of the old game
Mousetrap meets the Art Gallery of Ontario -- funded by an auto
manufacturer. (www.business2.com/articles/mag/0,1640,50151,00.html)
As actual advertising, it is another familiar novelty
Science World here in Vancouver runs a continuous loop of the 1987 Fischli
and Weiss film The Way Things Go. The borrowings of the Honda ad from the
film are obvious to anyone who has viewed both. What is also obvious -- and
ominous -- are the non-borrowings: the autotalitarian elision of the
Tom Walker wrote:
Science World here in Vancouver runs a continuous loop of the 1987 Fischli
For another take on The
Way Things Go, here's an excerpt from Arthur Danto:
http://www.postmedia.net/999/fischweiss1.htm
From Danto:
the individual episodes seem to happen one after another
Or, digging deeper into the ruins...
Homage to New York 1960
http://www.artmuseum.net/w2vr/archives/Kluver/00_Homage.html
I asked Jean what I could do for him. Jean explained that he wanted to make
a machine that destroyed itself and that he needed bicycle wheels...
...It was all over in 27
Carrol Cox wrote,
This high and higher efforts that Danto speaks of, leading to chaos,
must owe something to Laurel and Hardy as well. And of course Chaplin's
Modern Times. In fact to much of the great slapstick, 1915-1940.
Yes, also constructivism and dada. As Walter Benjamin wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Tom Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Carrol Cox wrote,
This high and higher efforts that Danto speaks of, leading to chaos,
must owe something to Laurel and Hardy as well. And of course Chaplin's
Modern Times. In fact to much of the great slapstick, 1915-1940.
Pharmaceutical companies often spend twice as much on overhead,
marketing, advertising and promotion than they spend on research and
development of new drugs, according to a report released July 17 by the
consumer health advocacy group Families USA, the Los Angeles Times
reports (White, Los Angeles Times, 7
Title: new frontiers in advertising
so I find that the copy of MS internet explorer on my computer regularly makes my PC freeze up (so that I have to not just reboot, but turn the damn thing off). But Netscape, which lacks this problem, won't allow me to erase parts of my bookmark list, i.e
The Times of India
FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 22, 2002
China leads as Asian advertising defies downturn
AFP
SINGAPORE: China, Asia's largest consumer market, defied the effects of a
global recession by posting stronger-than-expected advertising growth in
2001, according to a regional survey released
Cheryl Wheeler.
Appropos of advertising: anybody noticed the nifty little ad campaigns the
banks are running on television now, discouraging consumers from piling up
too much debt? Citibank's ads ("Live richly, spend wisely" or something
like that) are the ones I've noticed most often. I
My wife joined Earthlink, an Internet service provider that seems to be
owned by Sprint, a long-distance phone company. So far, so good, while it's
definitely better than Compuserve (which is horrible, especially since it
used to be very good before it got taken over by America On Line). But I
On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Doug Henwood wrote:
The U.S., where cigarettes are relatively cheap
Where cigarettes used to be relatively cheap, you mean. You know they're
$4.50 pack now in New York? It's been 10 years since I've smoked, and
when I picked up a pack for a friend last month I thought
* Allen Ginsberg, "Howl," 1955-1956
I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving
hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix,
(((
CB: Actually, the best minds of his generation were those of negroes.
* Allen Ginsberg, "Howl," 1955-1956
I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving
hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an
angry fix,
(((
CB: Actually, the best minds of his generation were those of negroes.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/22/00 03:18PM
* Allen Ginsberg, "Howl," 1955-1956
I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving
hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an
angry fix,
(((
CB: Actually, the best minds of
Michael Perelman wrote:
I would rather affect smoking by eliminating privileges of the corporations
that sell the cigarettes, such as eliminating the tax deductibility of
advertising -- I would do it for all advertising, but that's me.
I am in favor of eliminating cigarette advertising (as well
Yoshie:
I am in favor of eliminating cigarette advertising (as well as all
idiotic corporate advertising, though it's impossible to do so under
capitalism). However, it is not clear whether the absence of
corporate advertising will make a huge dent in consumption of
addictive goods
Ian says:
Drugs are fun not non-alienating. Lots of folks take them out of
experimental proclivities too, not just escape from alienating
circumstances. Jerry Garcia was not alienated or oppressed, neither was
William Burroughs [just try oppressing that guy :-)]
* Allen Ginsberg,
October 9, 2000
European Advertising
Advertisers Target the Office
'Work Time is Prime Time'
By SARAH ELLISON
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
LONDON -- Next time your boss finds you goofing off
En relación a [PEN-L:1354] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight,
el 6 Sep 00, a las 16:25, Brad DeLong dijo:
It is too long a story, but there has never existed a single "habit
of obedience" to those generals. Fear and hatred was what there
existed and exists. People here has never equated
En relación a [PEN-L:1354] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight,
el 6 Sep 00, a las 16:25, Brad DeLong dijo:
It is too long a story, but there has never existed a single "habit
of obedience" to those generals. Fear and hatred was what there
existed and exists. People here has never equated
No, you are not wrong. In fact, you are _dead_ wrong, Brad.
The old square reinforced the habits of national self-respect, the
new one instills habits of obedience towards the imperialists and the
bourgeoisie.
It is too long a story, but there has never existed a single "habit
of obedience" to
En relación a [PEN-L:1168] Re: A slight advantage of poverty (w,
el 2 Sep 00, a las 7:49, Brad De Long dijo:
I would have thought that we would approve the replacement of
nationalist-militarist iconography--that you win honor by killing
others and dying for your hierarchical
En relación a [PEN-L:1209] Re: Re: Re: A slight advantage of po,
el 3 Sep 00, a las 11:00, Brad De Long dijo:
En relación a [PEN-L:1168] Re: A slight advantage of poverty (w, el 2
Sep 00, a las 7:49, Brad De Long dijo:
I would have thought that we would approve the replacement of
It is good to risk one's own life for revolution. And in the
battlefield (I ignore if you have ever had that experience, even that
of the modest battlefield of a square where your cherished and
respected political leaders, aged above 60, run to escape tear gas
and you can physically feel the
En relación a [PEN-L:1218] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight advanta,
el 4 Sep 00, a las 7:12, Brad De Long dijo:
It is good to risk one's own life for revolution. And in the
battlefield (I ignore if you have ever had that experience, even that
of the modest battlefield of a square where your
En relación a [PEN-L:1168] Re: A slight advantage of poverty (w,
el 2 Sep 00, a las 7:49, Brad De Long dijo:
I would have thought that we would approve the replacement of
nationalist-militarist iconography--that you win honor by killing
others and dying for your hierarchical
Buenos
Aires) gave by those times the care of public squares to private
"sponsors" who, in exchange for advertising, would take care of them.
This, of course, ended up with the squares and parks on the North
side of the city being properly (even excessively) gardened and
polished, w
la Ciudad Autónoma de Buenos
Aires) gave by those times the care of public squares to private
"sponsors" who, in exchange for advertising, would take care of them.
This, of course, ended up with the squares and parks on the North
side of the city being properly (even excessively
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Subject: [PEN-L:1109] Random thoughts on Big Brother, advertising and
the Internet
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Yesterday as I was recounting the feud on alt.politics.socialism.trotsky
which led
million.
Dr. Crow, Columbia's executive vice provost, has been directing the
university's efforts to cash in on its intellectual property. He has easy
access to the provost and the president. And he has a hefty bankroll: more
than $40 million this year, money not subject to the normal budget process
or an
advertising on hoardings and in magazines by the end of the year. This is 2
years earlier than the EU deadline.
There are embarrassments for Blair in this, because there will be
extensions for certain sports including motor racing. Ecclestone, a racing
capitalist, gave New Labour 1 million
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CONSUMIDORES DE TODOS LOS PAÍSES, UNEN!
La gente no tiene ninguna influencia.
Toda la potencia económica y política se concentra en las
corporaciones transnacionales, su monopolio de los medios de
masas y sus políticos.
Y desde su punto de vista la
At 10:42 AM 2/13/97 -0800, Maggie wrote:
Actually, there is a rather large grouping of literature in main stream
industrial organization which deals with different aspects of advertising.
The following cites are from photo copies articles and don't always have
dates and journal, but they give
Anders Schneiderman wrote:
Has anyone done any work in economics on the macroeconomics of
advertising--i.e., to what extent advertising shapes markets? I'm sure
nobody in mainstream economics has touched it, because it raises too many
issues they'd rather ignore, but have any of our lefty
Has anyone done any work in economics on the macroeconomics of
advertising--i.e., to what extent advertising shapes markets? I'm sure
nobody in mainstream economics has touched it, because it raises too many
issues they'd rather ignore, but have any of our lefty bretheren?
Anders Schneiderman
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 00:28 EST
From: Linda Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: More Slave Labor Alliance Advertising
AEN News
May 10, 1996
Arizona Capitol Times newspaper:
It's a quarter page ad that starts out
The recent issue of Scientific American has a four page ad from
Microsoft. The first two pages are a picture of a young black boy with
the caption in large type. "Business is the Engine of Society. Without it
there would be no jobs. No products. No Competition. No advancement."
Is Bill Gates
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