28 Feb 2003
NGOs rebuild in Bosnia without planning
Hans Skotte: "Housing may not be the most suitable vehicle for
reconciliation"
Hans Skotte argues that international NGOs and donors in
ould also argue that the breach opened up between genuine pacifism and
liberal warmongering not over Bosnia but years earlier in Nicaragua, when
people like Paul Berman demonized the Sandinista government. His lies
helped to prop up the contra war.
Louis Proyect, Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org
pposition to the war?
The answer to this question involves an interesting history, and it sheds
light on the difficulties now confronting American liberals. The history
goes back 10 years, when a war broke out in the middle of Europe. This war
changed the way many American liberals, particularly lib
m the State Department is considering hiring is DynCorp of
Reston, Va. The company has numerous government contracts, including
ones for recruitment of retired police officers for United Nations
peacekeeping operations in Bosnia and pilots for American-financed
counterdrug operations in Colombia
Title: colonialism in Bosnia
Bosnia's new colonial governor
Paddy Ashdown is turning its elected leaders into his ciphers
David Chandler
Tuesday July 9, 2002
The Guardian [UK]
At the end of May, Paddy Ashdown assumed his new post as Bosnia's international high representativ
I read tons more about Serbia, Bosnia and Kosova/o, I guess, so this is
old news, Jim. From Jared Israel on the left raving about, "Fascist Islamist
Terrorists, " on the Australian Broadcasting Corp. "debating" David Rohde of
the NYT on the massacre at Srbenica on 7,000 t
* Los Angeles Times 7 October 2001
SUNDAY REPORT
Terrorists Use Bosnia as Base and Sanctuary
U.S. sees possible threat from militants who came to help Muslims
fight Serbs, Croats in '90s, then became citizens. Some have ties to
Bin Laden.
By CRAIG PYES, JOSH MEYER and WILLIAM C. R
* New York Times 16 December 2001
Dinner Guest of bin Laden Identified as Saudi Fighter
By DOUGLAS JEHL
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia, Dec. 15 - The Saudi who was seen visiting Osama
bin Laden in the videotape released this week is a 38-year-old
veteran of conflicts in Afghanistan, Bosnia and
http://www.iwpr.net/index.pl5?archive/bcr/bcr_2901_1_eng.txt
Thursday, September 7, 2000
Economy Fuels Unrest in Bosnia
Rampant unemployment, corruption and the worst drought in 50 years
are fueling social unrest in Bosnia
By Nermina Durmic-Kahrovic in Tuzla (BCR No. 168, 1-Sep-00
Lou:
>The Columbus Dispatch
>September 29, 1995, Friday
>EDITORIAL & COMMENT, Pg. 13A
>U.S. TAKES SIDES IN BALKAN WAR DESPITE CONFLICTING EVIDENCE
>Gregory Elich
Greg will be on a panel on NATO/Kosovo at the Socialist Scholars Conference.
Yoshie
* WATCH FOR THIS PANEL AT THE SOCIALIST SCHO
The Columbus Dispatch
September 29, 1995, Friday
EDITORIAL & COMMENT, Pg. 13A
U.S. TAKES SIDES IN BALKAN WAR DESPITE CONFLICTING EVIDENCE
Gregory Elich
NATO's two-week bombing campaign marks the culmination of American
intervention in Bosnia-Herzegovina. More than 3,500 sor
An additional 5,000 U.S. troops are being airlifted to Bosnia from
Germany. They are joining the 15,000 U.S. troops that are already
on duty in that beleaguered nation. These 20,000 U.S. troops are
part of the total of 60,000 under the NATO-led Implementation Force
(IFOR). There are also several
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> What are the chances for peace in Bosnia? Are there
> alternatives to NATO and U.S. presence? Can a multi-
> ethnic B
Bosnia? Are there
alternatives to NATO and U.S. presence? Can a multi-
ethnic Bosnia be preserved? Where is the Bosnian left?
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Tragic Death of Yugoslavia_.
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DISMANTLING FORMER YUGOSLAVIA, RE
made threats he should have
followed through. Otherwise he should have kept quiet.
2) I stand corrected that in Serbo-Croatian the proper
name of the country may be 'Bosnia i Herzegovina'. In English
it is Bosnia-Herzegovina and also in German which was what it was
called unde
Pen-ners,
As promised this is my last posting on the situation in Bosnia
which, despite my optomistic conclusion yesterday, appears to have
deteriorated since then. In any case, I will try to defend the
broad contours of my argument without attempting to answer every
point that was made by
My first assumption is that it is equally impossible to put Bosnia
back together and that attempting to force such a reintegration will
merely prolong the war.
My second assumption, supported by a national commentary by a
Russion-Ukranian specialist from my own university broadcast last
week, is th
Pen-ners,
A short post to explain the relative territorial distributions in
Bosnia. At the time of the unilateral declaration of independence
by the Muslim led government, Serbs and Yugoslavs represented just
under 40 per cent of the population, but they inhabited approximately
60 per cent of
uslims over Christians.
> What is this overarching hegemonic imperative that compells the media to
> support the muslims? In the Vietnam war, the civil religion of freedom
> and the hysteria of anticommunism had a systematic mind-bending effect on
> the media and many peoples perce
ty of
> Yugoslavia. Therefore, it had the constitutional obligation to
> prevent the breakaway of Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia
That's nice. Was it a democratic constituition? The peoples of
Yogoslavia were asked about it? What about the obligations of the former
constituition of South Af
ommunism had a systematic mind-bending effect on
the media and many peoples perceptions of the nobility of the cause. I
see none of this mythology greatly apparent in Bosnia. It is seen as
distasteful anarchy in some forgotten corner of Europe. Sketch for us
this great ideological blinde
t; not, he persisted and Izetbegovic gave in.
You make it sound like offering the people a referendum is an evil and
demagoguic affair. How is it then that nearly 70% of the population
voted for an independent, multi-ethnic Bosnia? How could that be phony?
Was there intimidation at the polling b
ty for any signals it gives the
Serbs regardless of any previous conspiracies.
> Thirdly, the Yugoslav constittution proved the *obligation* of
> the Yugoslav army to protect the unity and territoriality of
> Yugoslavia. Therefore, it had the constitutional obligation to
> p
Pen-ners,
This is about reporting and its effects on perceptions of what is
really going on in Bosnia. But first a footnote to yesterdays
post on the effect of US intervention in Bosnia. This is a short
quote from Paul Koring's article in todays _Globe and Mail_
"The statement
y was also a violation, if you want to get
technical. The more recent breakup of Czechoslovakia was also and
apparently was not even supported by a majority of the population in
either section of that former nation.
3) The ambush of retreating Yugoslav troops from Bosnia-Herzegovina
(henc
half million in
Bosnia. Bosnia, of course, had no prior political existance as
indeed the present name (Bosnia and Herzigovina) attests. Certainly,
in the political federation of the original Yugoslavia after WW1
(The Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes), Bosnia was not
mentioned and the Bosnians (
respond at length. But, before
you hit the key, I will respond like "hire-purchase"
agreements, in installments. (My dog needs to go for a walk
before I can finish this post otherwise).
First, my comment that western countries (the US in particular
should avoid intervention in Bosnia
plete information or analyses.
2) Paul is right that the breakup of Yugoslavia is a genuine
tragedy. This is a humpty-dumpty who fell off the wall and
cannot be put back together. It was probably inevitable that
Bosnia was going to "get it" once this happened because of its
volatile eth
they say will provide one answer.
>
[...]
>
> Whose voice do you hear from Bosnia these days? Probably mostly the Izetbegovic
> government's. Are there working-class organizations? Non-religious groups? Can
> you rely on the U.S. media to decide for you who is the voice of the oppressed?
&g
Dear Paul,
A quick vote for more analysis of Bosnia from you!
Cheers,
Steve Keen
On Wed, 13 Apr 1994 13:18:32 -0700 Ajit Sinha said:
> . . . Similarly, identify the oppressed group in
>Bosnia and listen carefully what they are asking for. We should not always be
>so arrogant to think that "we" know what is best for "them".
The US/UN/NATO doesn&
Yes, Germany encouraged Croatia and Bosnia to secede prior
to assuring appropriately Serb and other minority rights. Also
there is a lot of ignorance about what is going on (and has gone
on) there (The Nazi puppet Ustasha regime in Croatia ran the worst
concentration camps in Europe, its
On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, Andrew Flood wrote:
> Last year Croatia was the loser against Serbia and some called for the
> left to support it. This year Croatia is attacking Bosnia. Apart from
> anyhting else the reason why Bosnia is the victim of 90%+ of abuses
> is because it is the w
Pen-l comrades,
I too am concerned about what is going on in Bosnia. I am not an expert on
international politics and don't claim to have a solution to the problem.
But, this whole situation brings to mind a bumper sticker quote:
"Why do we kill people who kill peeple to show th
Sorry can't quote, but this is a response to Jim D. on Bosnia. In situations
like this I use a rule of thumb. Identify the group, i.e. the oppressed group
and support its demands rather than keep second guessing them. For example, If
ANC says that world should impose economic sanction on
hat in the face of the mass murder
and mass rape of Bosnians, the political issues of "who decides" starts
to pale in the face of the issue "Will intervention stop the bloodbath?"
As Habermas stated in the New Left Review and Hand Roth and I support,
better to make Bosnia safe
an and others to the events in
> Bosnia to be frustrating.
First, "gut reactions" are not to be dismissed. Moral repugnance is what
drives my disgust with homelessness, exploitation, death squads, and
children rooting through garbage in Rio.
I may add a level of analysis to think
When I see someone on the left advocating intervention in the
former Yugoslavia, I have to ask: "intervention by whom?"
The intervention that is currently going on is by the US/UN/NATO.
does the Left have any say in how this force is used? do the
people of the US have any say in how this force is
As someone also intersted in Yugoslavia (I lived in Slovenia during
the turbulent years 1989/90) I found Paul Phillips comments rather
misleading. While it is true that Germany, Austria and the Vatican
played a negative role in the dismemberment of Yugoslavia, the
United States and the EC have tri
I found Paul Phillips comments on Bosnia very thoughtprovoking and I would
like to hear more.
Steven Zahniser
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This is a response to Nathan Newman's posting:
After having spent the last eight years researching, studying
and teaching in and about Yugoslavia and its constituent parts, I
find the kind of gut reaction of Nathan and others to the events in
Bosnia to be frustrating. I fi
To PEN-Lers,
I am cross-posting this message on Bosnia from another list,
pnews, where there is a vigorous debate over whether the US Left is
collaborating with genocide in either opposing US intervention or merely
remaining silent. The real issue is whether simply dismissing all US
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