Re: Re: Re: Marxism as Science and Religion

2002-02-14 Thread Alan Cibils
At 2/13/2002, you wrote: Alan, 3) Verticalism Doyle This begs the question of how a mass organization can truly reflect the views of the masses. This is indeed a key question. In my view, a top-down organization is not very likely to reflect the views of the masses. As I see it, these

Re: Re: Re: Re: Marxism as Science and Religion

2002-02-14 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated Thu, 14 Feb 2002 7:39:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, Alan Cibils [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 2/13/2002, you wrote: Alan, 3) Verticalism Doyle This begs the question of how a mass organization can truly reflect the views of the masses. This is indeed a key

RE: Marxism as Science and Religion

2002-02-14 Thread Devine, James
I wrote: ... But since Marx was very much one who engaged in ruthless criticism of all existing and major followers such as Luxemburg embraced doubt all, dogmatism isn't a necessary component of Marxism. Justin Schwartz writes:Never said it was. Religion isn't necessarily dogmatic. Alan implied

Re: RE: Marxism as Science and Religion

2002-02-14 Thread Justin Schwartz
I said: and Lukacs, who coined the concept of Marxism as method, didn't believe it. Jim asked: [you can read his mind?] No, but I read the book. jks _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

Re: Marxism as Science and Religion

2002-02-13 Thread Alan Cibils
Having had the misfortune of growing up in a fundamentalist evangelical household (parents belonged to different sects, however), and having observed from the outside the behaviour of the way too many marxist-flavored left grouplets here in Argentina, Justin's remarks about Marxism and

Re: RE: Re: Marxism as Science and Religion

2002-02-13 Thread Alan Cibils
At 2/13/2002, Jim Devine wrote: Of course, just because everyone does it doesn't make it right. Or, just because everyone does it doesn't deny Justin's view of marxism as religion. It would indicate that the likeness of political beliefs to religion is not exclusive of marxism. Alan

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Marxism as Science and Religion

2002-02-13 Thread Justin Schwartz
Alan writes: Or, just because everyone does it doesn't deny Justin's view of marxism as religion. It would indicate that the likeness of political beliefs to religion is not exclusive of marxism. Of course people can be religious about all sorts of political beliefs. Some religious

Re: Marxism as Science and Religion

2002-02-13 Thread Doyle Saylor

Re: Re: Marxism as Science and Religion

2002-02-13 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists, JKS has set off a chorus of Marxism is religion. Alan comparisons of Religious persons, and Christians perpetuates a problem with understanding what is going on with organizing Marxist groups by comparing them to a religion. While Alan's comments are not meant to be in

Re: Marxism as Science and Religion

2002-02-10 Thread Ken Hanly
Comments after sections.: My point is much simply: in the past, from, say, the late 1880s to the eatrly 1970s, Marxism was actually a sort of secular religion of millions of ordinary people, and for part of that period, the civil religion of a good many states. This is no longer true,

Re: Marxism as Science and Religion

2002-02-10 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists, JKS responded to my remarks at length. I would like to make clear that my aim is to honor JKS, and criticize the thought I see in his remarks. I believe real brain work emerges from the exchange between people which is useable in some practical sense by any who read