I thought it happens when your wife is a socialist and you actually pay some
attention to what she says.
Cheers, Ken Hanly
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From: Ben Day [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 2:30 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:28907] Re: Re: Expertise
At 01:30 PM 08/03/2002 -0700, you wrote:
I thought it happens when your wife is a socialist and you actually pay some
attention to what she says.
Hmmm. Reminds me of when I used to be married to a Trotskyist. Since he was
so busy doing political work and thinking political thoughts, he never
[I wrote:]
It is a popular bourgeois myth that there is no place for expertise in
politics. Actually, there is room for knowledge, wisdom, a scientific
approach, and expertise everywhere, and certainly in politics.
[In a message dated 7/29/02 9:17:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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Justin Schwartz wrote:
I am in fact a socialist.
I thought you were a bourgeois liberal. I'm confused. How do you reconcile
a collectivist philosophy with a radically individualist one?
Doug
As I have explained, liberal democracy (the politics we bourg libs support)
involves
Justin Schwartz wrote:
What part do you reject, Doug? Representative govt? Univeral
suffrage? Extensive civil and political liberties? In fact you
reject none of it. You are a bourg lib too, as are probably 95% of
the people on this list.
I reject none of it except your label. It's too good
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28899] Re: Re: Re: Expertise and Vanguard Parties
Doug writes: And what about that word liberal? It carries with it the now
largely forgotten modifier Manchester, no? An atomized competitive
system with no real room for notions of social solidarity.
there are two main
The father of bourgeois liberalism (I put bourgeois in quotes here,
since if we mean industrial bourgeoisie, this would be inaccurate) - John
Stuart Mill - was also a socialist. And in fact, a market socialist, like
Justin Schwartz. When you extend liberalism to the workplace, things like
At 08:55 PM 07/30/2002 +, you wrote:
What part do you reject, Doug? Representative govt? Univeral suffrage?
Extensive civil and political liberties? In fact you reject none of it.
You are a bourg lib too, as are probably 95% of the people on this list.
Explain the bourgeois part.
Thanks,
In a message dated 7/30/02 1:47:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Justin Schwartz wrote:
I am in fact a socialist.
I thought you were a bourgeois liberal. I'm confused. How do you
reconcile a collectivist philosophy with a radically individualist
one?
Doug
I am a
I thought you were a bourgeois liberal. I'm confused. How do you
reconcile a collectivist philosophy with a radically individualist
one?
Doug
dialectic?
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