Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: executive committee

2000-02-13 Thread Michael Hoover
> And don't omit the $8 million that the U.S. spent--in part, thru the CIA, for the > trucker's strike and other mischief. Remember Kissinger's comment that if the > Chilean people were so "irresponsible" as to choose a socialist government in a > free election, appropriate measures would have to

Re: Re: Re: Re: executive committee

2000-02-11 Thread Joel Blau
And don't omit the $8 million that the U.S. spent--in part, thru the CIA, for the trucker's strike and other mischief. Remember Kissinger's comment that if the Chilean people were so "irresponsible" as to choose a socialist government in a free election, appropriate measures would have to be taken

Re: Re: Re: executive committee

2000-02-11 Thread Michael Hoover
> if the working class is well organized and class conscious (as in > Chile in 1970), not only may the legislature but the executive may be > subordinated to non-bourgeois forces. > The problem, of course, is that in the Chilean case, the repressive > component of the state (the armed forces) s

Re: Re: executive committee

2000-02-11 Thread Jim Devine
>>Max writes: >If you think the state is the executive committee of the >>bourgeoisie, than you are a public choice theorist too.< Brad sighs: >Marx did not write in the _Manifesto_ that the state is the executive >committee of the bourgeoisie. > >He wrote that the executive of the modern sta

Re: executive committee

2000-02-11 Thread Charles Brown
>>> Brad De Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/10/00 01:43PM >>> >Max writes: >If you think the state is the executive committee of >the bourgeoisie, than you are a public choice theorist too.< *Sigh* Marx did not write in the _Manifesto_ that the state is the executive committee of the bourgeoisie

Re: Re: executive committee

2000-02-11 Thread JKSCHW
Yeah, all the AMs are lefty pub choicers. See also Pzrzworski on social democracy. I am having been developing a version of the argument that Marx's state theory is a pub choice view for a paper I am working on about Marx and the rule of law, although admittedly my motive is partly to annoy the

Re: executive committee

2000-02-11 Thread Brad De Long
>Max writes: >If you think the state is the executive committee of >the bourgeoisie, than you are a public choice theorist too.< *Sigh* Marx did not write in the _Manifesto_ that the state is the executive committee of the bourgeoisie. He wrote that the executive of the modern state is a comm

Re: executive committee

2000-02-11 Thread Brad De Long
> >*Sigh* >> >>Marx did not write in the _Manifesto_ that the state is the executive >>committee of the bourgeoisie. >> >>He wrote that the executive of the modern state is a committee for >>managing the affairs of the bourgeoisie--suggesting that the >>democratically-elected legislature of the m

Re: Re: executive committee

2000-02-11 Thread Jim Devine
>Doesn't the Virginia school merge into the literature on rent seeking -- >although >the typical nasty rent seekers are labor unions and lawyers and the like? yes. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://liberalarts.lmu.edu/~jdevine

Re: executive committee

2000-02-11 Thread Peter Dorman
Actually, John Roemer's argument about the political-economic effects of concentrated wealth is the sort of Marxoid public choice theory Max is talking about. (See: A Future for Socialism.) Peter Jim Devine wrote: > Max writes: >If you think the state is the executive committee of the > bourge

RE: Re: RE: executive committee

2000-02-11 Thread Max Sawicky
cess. mbs -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Devine Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 4:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:16212] Re: RE: executive committee At 03:54 PM 2/10/00 -0500, you wrote: >The Virginia school is not the begi

Re: RE: executive committee

2000-02-11 Thread Jim Devine
At 03:54 PM 2/10/00 -0500, you wrote: >The Virginia school is not the beginning and end >of public choice theory. For instance, there is >a median voter theory that explains how, under >completely fantastical conditions, the median >voter is decisive in electoral matters in the Krugman colum

RE: RE: Re: RE: executive committee

2000-02-11 Thread Nathan Newman
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Max Sawicky > I used a median voter model for my dissertation. > The R-squares were beyond belief. I was more > worried about them being too good than the > contrary. Do tell Max. What was your dis

RE: executive committee

2000-02-11 Thread Max Sawicky
The Virginia school is not the beginning and end of public choice theory. For instance, there is a median voter theory that explains how, under completely fantastical conditions, the median voter is decisive in electoral matters. There is lit on how bureaus and politicians manipulate electoral c

Re: executive committee

2000-02-11 Thread Michael Perelman
Doesn't the Virginia school merge into the literature on rent seeking -- although the typical nasty rent seekers are labor unions and lawyers and the like? Jim Devine wrote: > > The Virginia school assumes that each voter's impact in the election is the > same as each of the other voters (and em