Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:"The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analys...

2000-07-13 Thread Dennis R Redmond
On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Brad De Long wrote: > There's your answer: 40-year long dictatorship as the *model* we are > supposed to aim for... It worked for that icon of global competitiveness otherwise known as Singapore, didn't it? -- Dennis

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:"The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analys...

2000-07-13 Thread Michael Perelman
I think answering this question would be fruitless. We have been over that before quite a few times. Brad De Long wrote: > > >And so is Soviet-style socialism. So what's left? > >> > > >Doug > > > >...most of all, revolutionary Cuba > > > >Louis Proyect > > > > There's your answer: 40-year lo

Re: Re: Re: Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analys...

2000-07-13 Thread Charles Brown
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/13/00 02:16PM >>> > >And so is Soviet-style socialism. So what's left? >> > >Doug > >...most of all, revolutionary Cuba > >Louis Proyect > There's your answer: 40-year long dictatorship as the *model* we are supposed to aim for... )) CB: But it is a big imp

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analys...

2000-07-13 Thread Louis Proyect
>There's your answer: 40-year long dictatorship as the *model* we are >supposed to aim for... > >Right. > > >Brad DeLong For North Americans? Heavens no. But for other countries in the Caribbean. YES. Here's an excerpt from a profile on Paul Farmer in last week's New Yorker Magazine. Farmer is a

Re: Re: Re: Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analys...

2000-07-13 Thread Brad De Long
> >And so is Soviet-style socialism. So what's left? >> > >Doug > >...most of all, revolutionary Cuba > >Louis Proyect > There's your answer: 40-year long dictatorship as the *model* we are supposed to aim for... Right. Brad DeLong

Re: Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analys...

2000-07-13 Thread JKSCHW
Lou says that market socialism is finished. If so, so is socialism, since the Hayek-Mises critique of planning remains without a credible answer on the left. Better pack it in, then. As I say, while particular theses and claims of the AMs are debtable, and they cannot be all right together, s

Re: Re: Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analys...

2000-07-13 Thread Louis Proyect
>And so is Soviet-style socialism. So what's left? > >Doug Revolutionary socialism and mass struggles that move in that direction. Eg., Colombia, general strike in Argentina, water protests in Bolivia, indigenous protests in Ecuador, Israel getting pushed out of southern Lebanon (Lebanese Marxist

Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analys...

2000-07-13 Thread Michael Perelman
I recently saw an article by Robert Bellah, who as describing an article his student was doing on social choice theory. The student was shocked when Bellah asked him if he behaved the way that he was assuming. The student later stopped working along those lines. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > A

Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analys...

2000-07-13 Thread Louis Proyect
>I think AM was abandoned rather than died of natural causes. Too many of the leading participants gave up on socialism or any kind of advocacy for it. This was, I think, for broad sociological reasons, the failure of a left movement to emnerge after the collapse of communism, the feeling of futil

Re: Re: Re: Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analys...

2000-07-12 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: ><< Originally, I'd say that Analytical Marxism was a kind of Marxism, >one responding to dissatisfaction with both the "orthodox" Marxism of the >2nd & 3rd Internationals and Althusserian structuralist Marxism. But >combining Marxist propositions with the narrow-minded method of or

Re: Re: Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analys...

2000-07-12 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 7/12/00 4:48:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Originally, I'd say that Analytical Marxism was a kind of Marxism, one responding to dissatisfaction with both the "orthodox" Marxism of the 2nd & 3rd Internationals and Althusserian structuralist Marxi