>I hope this helps to clarify the political and methodological differences
>between Louis Proyect and myself on the question of Europe and the struggle
>against US hegemonism. I hope it helps progressive people in the US to feel
>more confident in looking for international allies in this global s
I believe that the statement by Chris Burford is worth examining.
>>But most importantly, geopolitically, it is necessary now to call into
>>existence the Old World to redress the balance of the New.
>
>I have no idea what this means.
the possibility that this might be an important politica
Chris Burford:
>Most relevantly on this particular debae, I think Lenin was wrong at
>Zimmerwald, and I appreciate Louis Proyect highlighting this issue some
>years ago and arguing that Lenin was correct.
Karl Marx and other socialists formed the first Socialist International in
1864. Rivalry
Having dealt with the question of fact I return to this theme because the
post has the merit of counterposing two political positions fairly clearly
At 24/07/02 09:40 -0400, Louis Proyect wrote:
>Chris Buford:
>>But most importantly, geopolitically, it is necessary now to call into
>>exist
Chris Burford quoting Lenin:
> "From their daily experience the masses know perfectly well the value
> of geographical and economic ties and the advantages of a big market
> and a big state."
>
> May 1914
This is the entire paragraph, which comes from chapter 5 of "The Right
of Nations of Sel
At 24/07/02 09:40 -040 Louis Proyect wrote:
>Chris Buford:
>
>>But it is not the case that there is nothing in the EZ that conforms to
>>the progressive interests of working people, just because it is a victory
>>for the ruling class. For one thing they generally appreciate the
>>benefits of a
>That is a confident statement considering it is hard to prove a negative.
>
>Lenin wrote a lot.
>
>
>Chris Burford
Actually Lenin was quite specific on questions that are extremely germane
to that under discussion:
"On the Slogan for a United States of Europe":
But while the slogan of a repu
At 24/07/02 09:40 -0400, Louis Proyect wrote:
>Chris Buford:
>
>>But it is not the case that there is nothing in the EZ that conforms to
>>the progressive interests of working people, just because it is a victory
>>for the ruling class. For one thing they generally appreciate the
>>benefits of
Chris Buford:
>But it is not the case that there is nothing in the EZ that conforms to
>the progressive interests of working people, just because it is a victory
>for the ruling class. For one thing they generally appreciate the benefits
>of a large market, as Lenin noted, in an aside on the n
At 23/07/02 08:45 -0400, Louis Proyect wrote:
>Chris Burford:
>This remarkable success within a short space of human history, has been of
>benefit to the working people of Europe, and of the world, not withstanding
>the imperialist nature of the new EU. Perhaps it was also a by-product of
>the str
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