RE: : Re: Budget follies

2002-01-09 Thread Devine, James
Ellen writes: >I will say that these guys [supply-siders] are way less mean-spirited than creeps like Armey.< right. If anyone remembers Jack Kemp, he advocated supply-side economics as beneficial not only to the majority of Amurricans but also to minorities. He was quite the optimist in terms of

Re: Budget follies

2002-01-09 Thread Ellen Frank
Absolutely right. That's the whole idea. In thier world-view, which I think is widely held in America, businessmen (and women!)are the heroes. Adversity -- like unemployment -- spurs the heroic to action -- to take risks, start businesses. In this way the heroes provide incomes and opportunity

: Re: Budget follies

2002-01-09 Thread Ellen Frank
Doug writes: >And there's > >(3) Excessively tight monetary policy, courtesy of central bankers >who believe in the discredited notion of the Phillips Curve, when >they really should set policy by the gold price and other >market-based measures. > >If you're by a TV the morning of the next empl

Re: Re: Budget follies

2002-01-09 Thread Doug Henwood
Ellen Frank wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >>CB: Do supply-siders express an aim to lessen recessions' unemployment >>etc by their tax cuts for capital, or do they say recession is a >>necessary, good thing ? > >Real supply-siders believe either > >(1) that unemployment is mostly voluntary and

RE: Budget follies

2002-01-09 Thread Max Sawicky
when they feel compelled to address recession, they use that claim. otherwise they try to change the subject to the long-term need for investment, or they try to inveigle people with the promise of "giving you your money back." On the positive side, they do not invoke the Democratic canard tha

Re: Budget follies

2002-01-09 Thread Ellen Frank
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >CB: Do supply-siders express an aim to lessen recessions' unemployment >etc by their tax cuts for capital, or do they say recession is a >necessary, good thing ? Real supply-siders believe either (1) that unemployment is mostly voluntary and the unemployed should ge

Re: Budget follies

2002-01-08 Thread Doug Henwood
Charles Brown wrote: >CB: Do supply-siders express an aim to lessen recessions' >unemployment etc by their tax cuts for capital, or do they say >recession is a necessary, good thing They're mostly optimists, who don't like unemployment or recession. Take a gander at Larry Kudlow some Friday m

RE: Budget follies

2002-01-08 Thread Max Sawicky
They say the recession is somebody else's fault and will be over soon. mbs > > %% > > CB: Do supply-siders express an aim to lessen recessions' > unemployment etc by their tax cuts for capital, or do they say > recession is a necessary, good thing ? > >

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2002-01-07 Thread Forstater, Mathew
Rakesh - Honestly I have not read Mattick Sr's book on Marx and Keynes since grad school, where it was required reading in Shaikh's class. I have continued these discussions with Anwar as well as some of his former students who have continued this work, like Jamee Moudud. Actually we were supp

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
>Rakesh - I don't see why I am assuming that underconsumption is the >problem. Why not underinvestment (public as well as or even more so >than private)? I am supporting govt spending for both >infrastructure investment and spending on education, health care, >child care, etc. I could (and

RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Forstater, Mathew
Rakesh - I don't see why I am assuming that underconsumption is the problem. Why not underinvestment (public as well as or even more so than private)? I am supporting govt spending for both infrastructure investment and spending on education, health care, child care, etc. I could (and do) be

Re: Re: Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Doug Henwood
Rakesh Bhandari wrote: >ah a bit of guilt by association, Ellen. But who would have thought >a decade later Nixon would be saying that we are all Keynesians and >four decades later Lawrence Lindsey and George Gilder would be >trying to assure us--in explicitly Keynesian language--that >reco

Re: Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
>On the flights to and from Atlanta, I began reading this >new book by Rick Perlstein called Before the Storm -- about >Barry Goldwater and the rise of the new right. It's a bit >long-winded with sometimes tedious detail about this and that >right-wing crank. But what's fascinating is the veheme

Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Ellen Frank
On the flights to and from Atlanta, I began reading this new book by Rick Perlstein called Before the Storm -- about Barry Goldwater and the rise of the new right. It's a bit long-winded with sometimes tedious detail about this and that right-wing crank. But what's fascinating is the vehemence o

Re: RE: Re: Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
Mat wrote: >Right Rakesh. But we still have to ask whether working people and >the poor will be better off with more spending and jobs and less >taxes or not. In the long run we need to think about alternatives to >a system that just doesn't make sense, but in the meantime we need >to think a

RE: Re: Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Forstater, Mathew
Right Rakesh. But we still have to ask whether working people and the poor will be better off with more spending and jobs and less taxes or not. In the long run we need to think about alternatives to a system that just doesn't make sense, but in the meantime we need to think about how we can ha

RE: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Forstater, Mathew
as often is the case, I wonder what is worse--that the Deomorats don't understand the wrongheadedness of the claim that the disappearance of the surlus is the cause of the economic troubles or that they know that is not right but are saying it for political reasons. Either way, they are sicken

Re: Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
I would hope that progressive economists argue that overcoming the Treasury view does not guarantee that the economy can be free from downturns or even protracted depressions. Otherwise, progressive economists are simply subscribing to the hydraulic or mechanical view of Keynesianism or rather

Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Carrol Cox
"Devine, James" wrote: > > [clip] > > fools! The Democrats are using the failure to balance the budget against > Bush. Again! don't they know that it's bad economics and bad politics to do > so? I guess they're paid well. > > On the other hand, the Republicans are demonizing Dachle. What nons

Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Ellen Frank
Actually, it was worse than that, as I recall. He said something like - if revenues declined in a recession, he would see it as an opportunity to cut fat out of the budget, just like a private businesses do. I don't have the exact quote handy at home, though I used it in an article for D&S last

Re: Re: Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Alan Cibils
At 1/7/2002, you wrote: >Al Gore said during the campaign that if revenues declined in a recession, >he'd cut spending to preserve the surplus. > >Doug Wow!! That is one twisted bit of economic reasoning!! I love it! Alan _ Do You Yaho

Re: Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Doug Henwood
Alan Cibils wrote: >Democrats must be getting their economic "wisdom" from the IMF. >Maybe they should look at Argentina's experience trying to balance >its budget in a recession. Al Gore said during the campaign that if revenues declined in a recession, he'd cut spending to preserve the

Re: Budget follies

2002-01-07 Thread Alan Cibils
At 1/7/2002, you wrote: >fools! The Democrats are using the failure to balance the budget against >Bush. Again! don't they know that it's bad economics and bad politics to do >so? I guess they're paid well. > >Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine Democrats must be