Re: Class Struggles vs. Redistribution (was Re: More on E-MailRhetoric)

2001-07-03 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Fred says: >Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > >> *Who else* do you think have the *potential* to become a collective >> historical agent to transform the structures of production, >> distribution, & consumption in an ecologically sustainable direction, >> if not the working class? Surely not the bou

Re: Re: Class Struggles vs. Redistribution (was Re: More on E-MailRhetoric)

2001-07-02 Thread Fred Guy
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > *Who else* do you think have the *potential* to become a collective > historical agent to transform the structures of production, > distribution, & consumption in an ecologically sustainable direction, > if not the working class? Surely not the bourgeoisie. Nor do >

Re: Class Struggles vs. Redistribution (was Re: More on E-MailRhetoric)

2001-07-02 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
>Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > >> Class struggle won't solve the problem of global warming in the near >> future (supposing the near future to be the next couple of decades), >> & nothing else will for that matter. However, without class >> struggle, the working class won't be *even* in a positio

Re: Re: Class Struggles vs. Redistribution (was Re: More on E-MailRhetoric)

2001-07-02 Thread Fred Guy
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > Class struggle won't solve the problem of global warming in the near > future (supposing the near future to be the next couple of decades), > & nothing else will for that matter. However, without class > struggle, the working class won't be *even* in a position to > s

Re: Class Struggles vs. Redistribution (was Re: More on E-MailRhetoric)

2001-07-02 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Fred says: >And, putting what was a discussion of world living standards and carrying >capacity into terms of class struggle simplifies the question so >much that I no >longer understand it. Mark was talking about the material impossibility of the >rest of the world consuming in the manner of th

Re: Class Struggles vs. Redistribution (was Re: More on E-MailRhetoric)

2001-07-02 Thread Fred Guy
Am I missing something coded in the language here? Would anyone on this list expect redistribution to happen without struggle? Those sorts are all on Santa Claus-L. And, putting what was a discussion of world living standards and carrying capacity into terms of class struggle simplifies the ques