> I don't think Wallerstein ever claimed to be a Marxist, though he clearly
> learned from Marx & Marxists and Marxist can learn some from his research.
> (In this, he is very similar to Barrington Moore.)
> Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
Haven't read Walle
> Louis Proyect wrote:
> >One other key element of the demise of AM is the market socialism they
> >often upheld. When the Gorbachev experiment failed, when the CCP went off
> >the deep end welcoming in Nike, etc., when Yugoslavia imploded, it made it
> >more difficult to talk about the benefits o
>
M. H. wrote:
> >Wallerstein's approach is circulation rather than production.
Actually, he does emphasize production. Athony Brewer, in his famous book,
_Marxist theories of Imperialism: A Critical Survey_ classifies IW's world system
theory under the section of_Modern Marxist Theories of D
>Anthony DCosta wrote:
> >Wallerstein writes, irrespective of what others write. He doesn't
> >listen--to paraphrase some of his students (who are my friends) and
> >colleagues!
>
> >Cheers,
>
ohh, definetly, he is very persistent of his own position. That is expectable from a
sociologist of
No, we are not against democracy. But we have to recognize that not all its effects
are wholly good in every context. In the context of planning, democarcy would make the
calculation problem worse by amplifying the information distortions it involves.
Democracy is not part of the solution to th
This is exactly on the mark imho
Steve
On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Jim Devine wrote:
> I don't think Wallerstein ever claimed to be a Marxist, though he clearly
> learned from Marx & Marxists and Marxist can learn some from his research.
> (In this, he is very similar to Barrington Moore.)
>
> Orig
In a message dated 7/12/00 4:48:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Originally, I'd say that Analytical Marxism was a kind of Marxism, one
responding to dissatisfaction with both the "orthodox" Marxism of the 2nd &
3rd Internationals and Althusserian structuralist Marxi
Mine wrote:
World System Marxism overcomes two limitations of Analytical Marxism in
5 *weak* areas 1) methodolological individualism
Steve writes:
I've never heard world system theorists addressing themselves to the AM
question actually...and of course Marxists like Brenner, Petras,..have
cr
Well I guess I was wrong. I just did not see much that was Marxist in the
original post I commented upon. Your further posts make it clear that he
certainly uses a number of Marxian ideas whether he is a Marxist or not.
By the way, why should it not be useful to extend the concept of social
class
On 13 Jul 00, at 11:19, Mine Aysen Doyran wrote:
most notably the thesis that the formation of
> > > a Eurocentric world market in the sixteenth century was the single most
> > > important condition for the emergence of capitalist production in Western
> > > Europe, England included, in the fo
>And so is Soviet-style socialism. So what's left?
>
>Doug
Revolutionary socialism and mass struggles that move in that direction.
Eg., Colombia, general strike in Argentina, water protests in Bolivia,
indigenous protests in Ecuador, Israel getting pushed out of southern
Lebanon (Lebanese Marxist
Brad De Long wrote:
>If I understand IW's main criticism of Rostow, it was that Rostow
>imagined countries "modernizing" and undergoing similar processes at
>different times--but that the structure of the world system
>prevented a "peripheral" country from becoming a "core" country
>unless it
Justin You will have to explain what you mean in more detail. What system
provides incentives to respond to accurate information fast. In my way of seeing
things, large corporations respond slowly and in an imperfect way to market
signals. Those with more reserve resources can delay the respond fo
I had also mentioned before that the Hayek system fails to account for the
allocation of long-lived capital investments. In fact, it more or less
rules out heterogeneous capital.
Justin, if I recall correctly, did not accept my argument, but markets
cannot make any claim to efficiency in this re
I wrote:
> > I don't think Wallerstein ever claimed to be a Marxist, though he clearly
> > learned from Marx & Marxists and Marxist can learn some from his
> research.
> > (In this, he is very similar to Barrington Moore.)
> >
> > Originally, I'd say that Analytical Marxism was a kind of Marxis
I wrote:
><< Originally, I'd say that Analytical Marxism was a kind of Marxism,
>one responding to dissatisfaction with both the "orthodox" Marxism of the
>2nd & 3rd Internationals and Althusserian structuralist Marxism. But
>combining Marxist propositions with the narrow-minded method of or
>Stephen E Philion wrote:
> >Mine wrote:
>
> >World System Marxism overcomes two limitations of Analytical >Marxism in
>
> >5 *weak* areas 1) methodolological individualism
>
> >Steve writes:
>
> >I've never heard world system theorists addressing themselves to the >AM
>
> >question actually...a
>Ken Hanly wrote:
> > By the way, why should it not be useful to extend the concept of
> >social class beyond the capitalist system?
> >Cheers, Ken Hanly
>
Ken, hi. Actually, it is very useful to extend the concept of social
class beyond the "nation-state", which is what the world system peop
> >And so is Soviet-style socialism. So what's left?
>>
> >Doug
>
>...most of all, revolutionary Cuba
>
>Louis Proyect
>
There's your answer: 40-year long dictatorship as the *model* we are
supposed to aim for...
Right.
Brad DeLong
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/13/00 02:16PM >>>
> >And so is Soviet-style socialism. So what's left?
>>
> >Doug
>
>...most of all, revolutionary Cuba
>
>Louis Proyect
>
There's your answer: 40-year long dictatorship as the *model* we are
supposed to aim for...
))
CB: But it is a big imp
Brad wrote: >>From today's perspective, Rostow looks much better: Italy,
France, and Japan have joined the core. Taiwan, South Korea, Singapore, the
Hong Kong SEZ, Spain, and Ireland are joining the core, and there appear to
be a bunch more lined up behind them...<<
Doug riposted: >That's a ra
>Brad De Long wrote:
>
>>If I understand IW's main criticism of Rostow, it was that Rostow
>>imagined countries "modernizing" and undergoing similar processes
>>at different times--but that the structure of the world system
>>prevented a "peripheral" country from becoming a "core" country
>>un
At 12:04 AM 07/14/2000 -0400, you wrote:
>What system provides incentives to respond to accurate information fast.
>In my way of seeing things, large corporations respond slowly and in an
>imperfect way to market signals. Those with more reserve resources can
>delay the respond for a longer per
Perfect competition does not exist, but some markets are more competitive
than others,a nd some are quite competitive. Moreover, although large
corporations often respond slowly--too slowly--they respond faster than
five-years plans; the issue is comparative. Computers will not solve for a
num
No, we are not against democracy. But we have to recognize that not all its
effects are wholly good in every context. In the context of planning,
democarcy would make the calculation problem worse by amplifying the
information distortions it involves. Democracy is not part of the solution
to the c
I never denied Michael's point. I don't knwo enough about this. But in the Schweickart
model I advocate, new investment is planned, so if there is a problem there with
markets, we need to worry about it in market socialism of that variety. --jks
In a message dated Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:27:44 AM E
>There's your answer: 40-year long dictatorship as the *model* we are
>supposed to aim for...
>
>Right.
>
>
>Brad DeLong
For North Americans? Heavens no. But for other countries in the Caribbean.
YES. Here's an excerpt from a profile on Paul Farmer in last week's New
Yorker Magazine. Farmer is a
I think answering this question would be fruitless. We have been over
that before quite a few times.
Brad De Long wrote:
> > >And so is Soviet-style socialism. So what's left?
> >>
> > >Doug
> >
> >...most of all, revolutionary Cuba
> >
> >Louis Proyect
> >
>
> There's your answer: 40-year lo
On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Brad De Long wrote:
> There's your answer: 40-year long dictatorship as the *model* we are
> supposed to aim for...
It worked for that icon of global competitiveness otherwise known as
Singapore, didn't it?
-- Dennis
>
>None of this is in Rostow's theory. His theory is worse than the
>crudest of the crude Marxian stage theories.
>
>Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
I guess I should say something good about crude Marxian stage
theories (which actually ain't that bad), and abo
Brad De Long wrote:
>So if in a decade Mexico, Brazil, Poland, Hungary, and the Czech
>Republic are in the position that SK and Taiwan are now, you will
>conclude... what?
That history has reversed itself? That 5 countries out of over 200 in
the World Bank's World Development Indicators don't
As I dsaid, in the Schweickart model, investment is planned, so this wouldn't be a
problem with socialist markets.
In a message dated Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:35:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jim Devine
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
<< At 12:04 AM 07/14/2000 -0400, you wrote:
>What system provides in
Brad DeLong wrote:
>I guess I should say something good about crude Marxian stage theories
>(which actually ain't that bad), and about GA Cohen and technological
>determinism to boot...
One key problems with the technological determinism that Marx flirted with
in his early days (when he was mo
At 03:43 PM 7/14/00 -0400, you wrote:
>As I dsaid, in the Schweickart model, investment is planned, so this
>wouldn't be a problem with socialist markets.
if investment is planned, then the Hayek critique applies and the
Schweickart model falls apart, right? or maybe the Hayek critique isn't as
I have long troubled over investment planning. It is a weak point in Schweickart's
theory from an efficiency point of view. I think we may have to suffer those
inefficiencies for equity reasons. Without denocratic control of new investment, it is
hard to see how you have socialism at all. But t
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