Re: Re: Re: Dissolving history (was Re: Re: Re: The US buys democracy for Yugoslavia.)

2000-09-26 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky
En relación a [PEN-L:2322] Re: Re: Dissolving history (was Re: , el 26 Sep 00, a las 8:30, Michael Perelman dijo: > I don't think that Nestor was accusing you of either crime. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I am not an academic or an economist. You will have to decide for > > yourself whet

Re: Re: Dissolving history (was Re: Re: Re: The US buys democracy for Yugoslavia.)

2000-09-26 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky
En relación a [PEN-L:2320] Re: Dissolving history (was Re: Re: , el 26 Sep 00, a las 10:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] dijo > I am not an academic or an economist. You will have to decide for > yourself whether I am a faithful servant of the IMF. --jks [I had previously pointed out that jks's way of thi

Re: Re: Re: The US buys democracy for Yugoslavia.

2000-09-26 Thread Charles Brown
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/25/00 06:09PM >>> > Given the >pressures on it, the Milosevic government has been one of the mildest in recent history. It is no more repressive than the FSLN in Nicaragua... Why this compulsion to lie to blacken the reputation of the Sandinistas? ((( CB:

Re: Dissolving history (was Re: Re: Re: The US buys democracy for Yugoslavia.)

2000-09-26 Thread JKSCHW
I am not an academic or an economist. You will have to decide for yourself whether I am a faithful servant of the IMF. --jks In a message dated Tue, 26 Sep 2000 7:45:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << En relación a [PEN-L:2302] Re: Re: The U

Dissolving history (was Re: Re: Re: The US buys democracy for Yugoslavia.)

2000-09-26 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky
En relación a [PEN-L:2302] Re: Re: The US buys democracy for Yu, el 25 Sep 00, a las 23:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] dijo: > I disn't say that the historical facts are unimportant--although > sometimes I think it's advisable to forget them for pragmatic purposes > when trying to frame a solution to a c

Re: Re: The US buys democracy for Yugoslavia.

2000-09-25 Thread Ken Hanly
This is quite interesting. However, I thought that the autonomous status of Kosovo was revoked because Kosovo refused to accept the structural adjustment provisions attached to an IMF loan. By revoking autonomy Kosovo was forced to accept the conditions. Those conditions also prohibited some of th

Re: Re: Re: The US buys democracy for Yugoslavia.

2000-09-25 Thread phillp2
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:03:24 EDT Subject:[PEN-L:2302] Re: Re: The US buys democracy for Yugoslavia. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In a message dated 9/25/00 5

Re: Re: The US buys democracy for Yugoslavia.

2000-09-25 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 9/25/00 5:57:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Surely historical facts are not unimportant, when one discusses the "judgment of history," no? In any case, what FAIR is trying to do, of course, is not to fuel disputes over "who did what to whom firs

Re: A correction (was Re: Re: Re: The US buys democracy for Yugoslavia.)

2000-09-25 Thread phillp2
From: "Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:27:30 -0300 Subject:[PEN-L:2294] A correction (was Re: Re: Re: The US buys democracy for Yugos

A correction (was Re: Re: Re: The US buys democracy for Yugoslavia.)

2000-09-25 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky
En relación a [PEN-L:2288] Re: Re: Re: The US buys democracy fo, el 25 Sep 00, a las 21:22, Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky dijo: > > What would they say if, for example, Pinochet lavishly funded a pro- > Russian party for the American elections? Or would they, in the end, > prefer to vote for "their

Re: Re: Re: The US buys democracy for Yugoslavia.

2000-09-25 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky
I simply cannot, repeat, cannot understand those people who consider themselves progressive and accept that their country, a great power, gets involved in politics within other countries, and supposes to have a right to decide who is the respectable president and who is not. What would they s

Re: Re: Re: Re: The US buys democracy for Yugoslavia.

2000-09-25 Thread Louis Proyect
At 03:09 PM 9/25/00 -0700, you wrote: >> Given the >>pressures on it, the Milosevic government has been one of the mildest in >recent history. It is no more repressive than the FSLN in Nicaragua... > >Why this compulsion to lie to blacken the reputation of the Sandinistas? This is flame bait.

Re: Re: Re: The US buys democracy for Yugoslavia.

2000-09-25 Thread Brad De Long
>Kosovars are not innocent helpful victims. Most *are*. >Serbs are not monsters of quasi-Nazi brutality. Some *are*--and a lot of those who are work for the government... Brad DeLong -- Professor J. Bradford DeLong Department of Economics, #3880 University of California at Berkeley Berkeley,

Re: Re: Re: The US buys democracy for Yugoslavia.

2000-09-25 Thread Brad De Long
> Given the >pressures on it, the Milosevic government has been one of the mildest in recent history. It is no more repressive than the FSLN in Nicaragua... Why this compulsion to lie to blacken the reputation of the Sandinistas?

Re: Re: The US buys democracy for Yugoslavia.

2000-09-25 Thread JKSCHW
I am seriously uninterested in who did what to whom first in Kosovo or elsewhere. That always leads to the argument that it is OK for the first victim to do the same thing back, a notion that I, geneally unsuccessfully, continually try to disabuse my kids of. Kosovars are not innocent helpful

Re: Re: Re: Re: The US buys democracy for Yugoslavia.

2000-09-25 Thread Paul Phillips
On 25 Sep 00, at 11:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I am not surprised, but I am disappointed, to find Louis falling in with the defense >of the Milosovic regime, even to comparing it with the Sandinistas, whose mistakes >were at least part of a policy of promoting a government policy intendedto

Re: Re: The US buys democracy for Yugoslavia.

2000-09-25 Thread Jim Devine
Ken, you forget that here in the "land of the free," the word "democracy" (or "having a hard transition to democracy") is synonymous with loyalty to the US. Second, I think it's interesting that the State Department is making analogies with the "people power" overthrow of Marcos. Didn't the US

Re: Re: The US buys democracy for Yugoslavia.

2000-09-25 Thread Louis Proyect
Justin: "Whatever was socialist in the Yugoslav economy is gone, except for some ideological window dressing that no one even pretends to believe any more. Moreover, the M regime that participated in the partition by force of Yugoslavia, supported the Bosnian serbs in the Bosnian war, and engaged

Re: Re: Re: The US buys democracy for Yugoslavia.

2000-09-25 Thread JKSCHW
I am not surprised, but I am disappointed, to find Louis falling in with the defense of the Milosovic regime, even to comparing it with the Sandinistas, whose mistakes were at least part of a policy of promoting a government policy intendedto promote the welfare of ordinary Nicaraguans, rather

Re: Re: The US buys democracy for Yugoslavia.

2000-09-25 Thread Louis Proyect
The hypocrisy of US foreign policy requires no comment, although no dount it demands outrage. But no one outside his thuggish clique could mourn the defeat of Milosovic. --jks === This accusation of "thuggish" reflects imperialist propaganda. Given the pressures on it, the Milosevic government