Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-04 Thread Devine, James
if terrorists attack, it would be similar in effect to the hypothetical S&G spat on the second night. The liability questions would be settled by the courts, mostly to help the rich. I don't know what "should" happen here. jd -Original Message- From: PEN-L list on beh

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-04 Thread sartesian
Yeah, but what if a terrorist hijacks Simon and Garfunkel's private jet and crashes into the stage after it was set up, killing the nauseating pair, and forcing a refund.. And suppose the concert insurance doesn't cover terrorist acts of god, then what... should the government step and subsidize th

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-04 Thread Devine, James
Barrister Shemano writes: >... Let's imagine the crew does all their work. They set up the special sound and >light systems, etc. However, Simon and Garfunkel get into a fight and refuse to >perform, so the show is cancelled and all ticket are refunded. The next night, Simon >and Garfunkel r

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread Kenneth Campbell
David wrote: >I am a reductionist, as some of you may >remember from a previous exchange. Therefore, I insist on >narrowing issues to their most basic. You write: "I insist on narrowing issues to their most basic." I do, too, sir. Survival. Ability to raise kids. Dignity. My dad was working c

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread David B. Shemano
Kenneth Campbell writes: >> I don't think I misunderstand your question. I was talking about the >> "value" of the crew. >> >> But please inform me of my errors, I am open to instruction, at any age. >> >> The labor/value thing is larger than micro economy, no? When you squish >> it into some sma

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread Waistline2
  In a message dated 7/2/2004 5:54:30 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let's imagine the crew does all their work.  They set up the special sound and light systems, etc.  However, Simon and Garfunkel get into a fight and refuse to perform, so the show is cancelled

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread Kenneth Campbell
David the non-trolled writes: >You misunderstand my questions. I am not asking >whether the crew should be paid. I am trying to >understand the labor theory of value/surplus >value/exploitation in context. I don't think I misunderstand your question. I was talking about the "value" of the crew

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread David B. Shemano
Kenneth Campbell writes: >> Don't be silly. You are supposedly a lawyer. >> >> The refusal to perform negated the contract. But not the contractual >> duties owed to those expected to aid in the performance. >> >> The pathetic spat between the actual performers (in your little >> hypothetical) doe

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Michael writes: >Please, no personal attacks. If David were a troller, he >could have been very disruptive here. He has not been. I honestly did not write "David the troller" in a negative way. Honestly! I thought he was just here to be the straw that stirs the drink that we all prefer. I thin

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread Michael Perelman
Please, no personal attacks. If David were a troller, he could have been very disruptive here. He has not been. I suspect that the thread has exhausted itself. On Fri, Jul 02, 2004 at 07:12:22PM -0400, Kenneth Campbell wrote: > David the troller writes: -- Michael Perelman Economics Department

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread Kenneth Campbell
David the troller writes: >Humor me on this. I need some Marx 101. Let's imagine the >crew does all their work. They set up the special sound and >light systems, etc. However, Simon and Garfunkel get into a >fight and refuse to perform, so the show is cancelled and all >ticket are refunded. T

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread David B. Shemano
Prof. Devine writes: >> The hired folks (the crew, etc.) probably produced more value than they received in >> wages, so Marxian exploitation was going on: surplus-value was likely produced >> (though I don't know the details of the case). S&G are super-star members of the >> working class, so the

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread Waistline2
  In a message dated 7/2/2004 12:40:40 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We were just discussing that capitalism is theft, appropriation of value, etc.  Now, how did this play out at the concert?  There were about 18,000 tickets sold.  Let's conservatively say at a

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread Doug Henwood
David B. Shemano wrote: How would it work in PEN-Ltopia? Simon & Garfunkel would have been sent to the glue factory long ago. Doug

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread Devine, James
Councilor Shemano writes: > We were just discussing that capitalism is theft, > appropriation of value, etc. I wasn't in on that. >Now, how did this play out at > the concert? There were about 18,000 tickets sold. Let's > conservatively say at an average price of $150, so there was > a

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread David B. Shemano
Prof. Devine writes: >> individual prices can't be explained or predicted using Marx's labor theory of value >> (more accurately, the law of value). Regular micro will do (though not the Chicago >> variant). It's a monopoly situation, where the sellers try to get as much of the >> "consumer >> su