Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "Transformation problem" [was US Consumer Confidence...]

2001-04-04 Thread ALI KADRI
Isn't there a transformation problem between ordinal utility and prices in the derivation of prices cum demand. By this I do not mean the failure of transitivity or the eminent voting paradox problem, I mean the sloppy transformation of utils into prices which cannot be done, sui generis, withou

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "Transformation problem" [was US Consumer Confidence...]

2001-04-03 Thread ALI KADRI
This is not to reject it, that is partly what I do to make a living, but to see its shortcoming. --- Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Although I think that the main issues of the > so-called "transformation > problem" are not mathematical and the "problem" > should be renamed as the > "d

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "Transformation problem" [was US Consumer Confidence...]

2001-04-02 Thread Jim Devine
Although I think that the main issues of the so-called "transformation problem" are not mathematical and the "problem" should be renamed as the "disaggregation problem," I think it's a mistake to totally reject math or even equilibrium conceptions. At 01:52 AM 4/2/01 -0700, you wrote: >IN AN

RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "Transformation problem" [was US Consumer Confidence...]

2001-04-02 Thread Forstater, Mathew
Shaikh uses math, econometrics, simulations, etc. But his points in such papers as "The Humbug Production Function," "The Poverty of Algebra," and the papers on the transformation problem are well to be considered: we must not confuse the laws of math or statistics with the laws of economics; math

Re: Re: Re: Re: "Transformation problem" [was US Consumer Confidence...]

2001-04-02 Thread ALI KADRI
IN AN ARTICLE ENTITLED "Geometry and experience" by Albert Einstein, on the relevance of mathematics he says "as far as mathematics corresponds to experience it is not certain, and as far as mathematics is certain it does not correspond to experience". Of the many misunderstandings of Marx, there

Re: Re: "Transformation problem" [was US Consumer Confidence...]

2001-04-01 Thread Ken Hanly
Where do you get the idea that Hume uses deduction extensively? Deduction can only clarify relationships between ideas or concepts. Sense impressions are the source of all substantive knowledge. Of course Hume claims that induction from present to past is not justifiable by reason but that does n

Re: Re: "Transformation problem" [was US Consumer Confidence...]

2001-04-01 Thread Ken Hanly
Where does Marx claim that everything of value in the world has "that much labor tied up into it"? Marx distinguishes at the very least as I recall , use values and exchange values. Things such as air have use value without any labor being involved in making it. At most it is exchange values that

Re: "Transformation problem" [was US Consumer Confidence...]

2001-03-30 Thread Andrew Hagen
Interspersed comments follow. On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:54:01 -0800, Jim Devine wrote: >I don't think that this is an accurate presentation of history or the >literature on this matter. I, for one, think that the so-called "New >solution" (which is hardly "new" at this point) solves all the issues

RE: Re: Re: "Transformation problem" [was US Consumer Confidence...]

2001-03-30 Thread Forstater, Mathew
I haven't been following this thread (multiple apologies), but what was wrong with Shaikh's solution? He offers a critique of the Bortkiewicz procedure and proposes a method of transformation which reconciles the contradiction (of Bortkiewicz/Sweezy, where the aggregate equalities assumed by Marx

Re: Re: "Transformation problem" [was US Consumer Confidence...]

2001-03-30 Thread Jim Devine
Andrew Hagen writes: >The Transformation Problem is in no way boring. IMHO it is at the crux of >the question of the validity of classical Marxism. It is unfair, though, >to judge Marx as a thinker who failed for this reason; Marx died before he >could finish editing volume 2, and far before vo

Re: "Transformation problem" [was US Consumer Confidence...]

2001-03-30 Thread Andrew Hagen
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 06:46:05 +0100, Chris Burford wrote: >[] However, even though "the transformation problem" is extremely boring, I >note that Barkley does not necessarily imply inverted commas around it. He >does not appear to think it can be dismissed, as I do, as an artefact of >mechan

Re: "Transformation problem" [was US Consumer Confidence...]

2001-03-29 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Chris, Well, I am agnostic on the transformation problem. I am in print as expressing some sympathy with the Kliman-McGlone TSS solution, which is the non- equilibrium approach you mention. I reported on some of the latest discussions of this that occurred at the Eastern Economic Associatio