RE: RE: RE: precautionary principle

2002-01-28 Thread Davies, Daniel
>I don't know very much about accounting, but what I was thinking of is as >follows: there's a big issue of how "one time charges" are counted in >reporting earnings. Are they discounted (minimized) the way Enron did and >other high-flyers do? or are they simply subtracted from current earnings? A

RE: RE: precautionary principle

2002-01-28 Thread Devine, James
I wrote: >>The Enron and dot.con melt-downs suggest that a similar principle [to the precautionary principle] should be applied to accounting (in the face of new corporate forms that stretch traditional accounting norms)... << Daniel Davies writes: > I think what you may be talking about is the

RE: precautionary principle

2002-01-27 Thread Davies, Daniel
>The Enron and dot.con melt-downs suggest that a similar principle should be >applied to accounting (in the face of new corporate forms that stretch >traditional accounting norms). >But can capitalism -- which centers on the aggressive accumulate-to-compete >or compete-to-accumulate principle

Re: RE: precautionary principle

2002-01-25 Thread Michael Perelman
Mat, I see another dimension to your statement about the lack of regulation and the lack of sustainability. In my Natural Instability book I made the case that increasing pressure on the input side -- such as through higher wages or greater environmental restrictions -- can create a simulated com

Re: RE: Re: RE: precautionary principle

2002-01-25 Thread Peter Dorman
Thanks! Could you post some specific references for Ravetz and Funtowicz? I agree with a lot (I think most) of the specifics you raise, but such a diffuse critique runs the risk of not communicating itself beyond the small circle of people who go through the whole thing systematically. Is there

Re: RE: Re: RE: precautionary principle

2002-01-25 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Forstater, Mathew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Once when I was giving a job talk for a position that was a joint appt in economics and environmental studies, after a long day of individual and group interviews with faculty and students of both programs, after going t

RE: Re: RE: precautionary principle

2002-01-25 Thread Forstater, Mathew
ut the earth if we continue on the present path]?" Mat -Original Message- From: Peter Dorman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:21908] Re: RE: precautionary principle Mat, How do you deal with the argument that the a

Re: Re: precautionary principle

2002-01-25 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Peter Dorman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (The more that comes out, the more the whole business begins to look like a vast, interconnected Ponzi scam. Look at the story in the NYT today about the "secret" investment fund marketed on Wall St., which paid dividends out

Re: RE: precautionary principle

2002-01-25 Thread Peter Dorman
Mat, How do you deal with the argument that the apparent tradeoff between growth (or full employment) and the environment is due to the failure of full cost internalization? The standard neoclassical position is that, for markets to function properly, they have to reflect true social costs and b

Re: precautionary principle

2002-01-25 Thread Peter Dorman
Thanks for the plug, Jim. At another point in the manuscript, I mention in passing the role of Frank Knight in developing the distinction between risk and fundamental uncertainty. Knight's claim was that entrepreneurship is the specialty of people with an abnormal tolerance for plunging into the

RE: precautionary principle

2002-01-25 Thread Forstater, Mathew
Jim, I have thought about this recently and come to the conclusion that, first, unregulated or badly regulated capitalism is both macroeconomically unsatisfactory and environmentally unsustainable. Second, traditional policy approaches to both unemployment and environmental degradation are insuffi