Re: Too many college students?

1994-08-28 Thread JTREACY
Sure its good for employers to have more applicants than vacancies. But I'm not sure even employers really want to see a ten to one ratio! Treacy: Friday's Population column in the Wall Street Journal carried word about a U.S. Cenus Bureau report that found in 1993 that the age 25-34

Re: Too many college students?

1994-08-26 Thread Michael J. Brun
Sure its good for employers to have more applicants than vacancies. But I'm not sure even employers really want to see a ten to one ratio! The marginal benefit to them of additional job seekers must decline, and the effects of demoralization and social unrest must be seen as some kind of cost

Re: Too many college students?

1994-08-26 Thread Michael J. Brun
People have spoken of "grade inflation" for decades, and also sometimes of degree inflation. We may now be reaching the stage where the college degree is what a high-school diploma once was. More than that, in the new environment of temporary private sector jobs, personal connections will be

Re: Too many college students?

1994-08-26 Thread JTREACY
Well, if it's any consolation, here at O$U we're consolidating and downsizing our communication and journalism departments in favor of "core social sciences" like economics (!), political science, sociology and psychology (all with a quantitative focus). At least this university is trying to a

RE: Too many college students?

1994-08-26 Thread Mark Laffey
I am also inclined to think that higher education should be freely available as well as publicly rather than privately funded. But I also think that this requires that we have a strong system of vocational and secondary education. As far as I can tell, for a great many in the US, that is often no

Re: Too many college students?

1994-08-26 Thread Pete Bratsis
Does education only serve the purpose of producing human capital, which, if not realized through employment, is an inefficent use of resorces? Does not higher education have a use-value that cannot be reduced to a quanitative measure/its exchange value in the labor market? Peter Bratsis CUNY

Re: Too many college students?

1994-08-25 Thread Richard Clark
I appreciate the very thoughtful replies to my postings. My reply follows. I'm not saying that "_any_ form of federal, tax-payer support for access to higher education should be done away with," as Mark Laffey understands me to say. As long as the economy has any need for additional peopl

Re: Too Many College Students

1994-08-25 Thread Cotter_Cindy
_The Economist_ recently ran an article (August 20-26, p44) on Germany's much admired dual system of education -- two tracks, one academic, one vocational. It's running into trouble. The need for highly skilled blue collar workers is declining, the demand for more flexible generalists with great

Re: Too many college students?

1994-08-25 Thread Thomas Schumacher
Well, if it's any consolation, here at O$U we're consolidating and downsizing our communication and journalism departments in favor of "core social sciences" like economics (!), political science, sociology and psychology (all with a quantitative focus). At least this university is trying to av

Re: Too many college students?

1994-08-25 Thread Alan G. Isaac
Although I appreciated much of the passion behind Mark Laffey's post, I do think there are important questions to be raised about the public subsidy of higher education. In one sense, I think it is inadequate, since I would like to see higher education freely available to anyone interested. (Whet

RE: Too many college students?

1994-08-25 Thread PLMASON
Sometimes I have serious reservations about the "left." Richard's remarks on education are precisely the same as though of Milton Friedman and others circa 1968-1973. This was precisely the point in time colleges and college financing were forced open to accommodate working class students -- espec

RE: Too many college students?

1994-08-25 Thread PLMASON
Richard: I think that there are two flaws in your posting. One, the relative return to a college degree has been increasing since the early 1980s, i.e., the college graduate - non-college graduate differential has been increasing -- especially for people with advanced degrees. Two, undergradua

Re: Too many college students?

1994-08-25 Thread Mark Laffey
If I understand this correctly, you are suggesting that any form of federal, tax-payer support for access to higher education should be done away with. The argument is that there is no room (or very little) in the higher echelon, which is where these people think they are going, so they should no

Too many college students?

1994-08-25 Thread Richard Clark
I have no problem with students choosing to attend a university for the purpose of improving their thinking skills, to expand their breadth of knowledge in whatever subject gives them the most pleasure, or to simply enrich their consciousness and their appreciation of the human drama. But unl

Re: Too many college students?

1994-08-25 Thread Richard Clark
Your point is well taken.

Re: Too many college students?

1994-08-25 Thread Jim Devine
one benefit of "too many college students" is that *employers* can see a queue of job-seekers and then pick and choose the ones that are best for their purposes. This gives the employers quite an advantage in their relationship to employees. in pen-l solidarity, Jim Devine [EMAIL PRO

Too many college students?

1994-08-25 Thread Richard Clark
How do we address the problem that many American students of limited talent are now spending huge amounts of time and money pursuing some brass-ring occupation, only to (inevitably) see their dreams denied? The fact is that we are educating many more prospective managers and professionals th