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Ditto. --jks In a message dated 9/10/00 12:16:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << From: Stephen Cullenberg Doug People might be interested to know that Jack Amariglio, David Ruccio and I have a forthcoming edited volume from Routledge on the topic Doug mentions. . . .

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From: Stephen Cullenberg Doug People might be interested to know that Jack Amariglio, David Ruccio and I have a forthcoming edited volume from Routledge on the topic Doug mentions. . . . Steve let me say I appreciate your persistence, in the face of all the abuse to which I have made my own mode

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Louis, you know better than to say something that is so provocative. Louis Proyect wrote: > > > > People might be interested to know that Jack Amariglio, David Ruccio and I > > have a forthcoming edited volume from Routledge on the topic Doug mentions. > > The book's title is _Postmodernism, Eco

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Stephen Cullenberg wrote: >While the book deals mainly with economics, folks might also be >interested in another event where many people broadly influenced by >postmodernism (and many who are not) will be coming together to >discuss and debate Marxism. The Marxism 2000 conference sponsored

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> > People might be interested to know that Jack Amariglio, David Ruccio and I > have a forthcoming edited volume from Routledge on the topic Doug mentions. > The book's title is _Postmodernism, Economics and Knowledge_ and includes > contributions from a large number of folks who have written a

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At 02:06 PM 9/8/00 -0400, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yoshie, do you get extra hazard pay for reading these people? Are "these people" any worse than most of the economics literature, which is all too often obscure, abstract, remote from reality, and apologetics for the status quo? Doug

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I had the same sort of training as Ken Hanly, somewhat later on, basically high powered analytical philosophy: rather than Austin and Bowsma, my icons were Quine, Davidson, and Rawls, my teachers Rorty, Harman, Kuhn, and Scanlon (undergrad), Gibbard, Railton, and Mary Hesse (grad). I did pick u

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Yoshie wrote: >... In contrast to France, Italy only experienced what he [Gramsci] calls >"passive revolution,": "restoration becomes the first policy whereby >social struggles find sufficiently elastic frameworks to allow the >bourgeoisie to gain power without dramatic upheavals, without the F

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Hi Jim: >According to Hal Draper (in one of the volumes of his KARL MARX'S >THEORY OF REVOLUTION), Marx himself was anti-Jacobin, since the >Jacobins were petty-bourgeois, professionals, or even haute >bourgeois. He sided instead with the plebeian _sans culottes_, and >if memory serves me we

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You can get the gist of most economics works fairly quickly. All the math and the like is just used to "prove" a simple a simple point. There is little complexity. In that respect, economics might be the easiest discipline in the world. The hard part is putting together all the weird little ide

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >BUFFALOS? --jks , . Doug

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Any number of problems that Popper cited were rejected, and finally, when Popper turned to problems of moral justification, Wittgenstein asked for an example of a moral rule. Since Wittgenstein had happened to pick up a poker from the fireplace and was waving it around while making his points

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Me, an economist? Sir, there is my gage! And having shown little interest in philosophy? What would show a lot. pray tell, beyond gettimng a PhD in it and working the field until the jobs ran out? --jks In a message dated Fri, 8 Sep 2000 3:20:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Doug Henwood <[EMAIL

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BUFFALOS? --jks In a message dated Fri, 8 Sep 2000 2:45:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Carrol Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << Doug Henwood wrote: > > Are "these people" any worse than most of the economics literature, > which is all too often obscure, abstract, remote from reality, and > a

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I tried to avoid getting reimmersed in these recurrent pen-lpomo discussions, which are a sort of chronic cyberdisease. But this latest by "jks" was a little much. > I have read and indeed taught the major pomos & poststructuralists--Derrida, > DeMan, Foucault, DeLeuze & Guttari, Baudrillard, Ly

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Yoshie writes: >In the case of many -- though by no means all -- postmodernists, they have >progressed from anti-Stalinism to anti-Leninism to anti-Marxism to finally >anti-Jacobinism. Most explicitly in the case of Laclau & Mouffe: >... Laclau and Mouffe assert that the concept of the worki

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>Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > >>Hume & Deleuze, Hayek & Foucault, Keynes & Queer Theory: clues for >>inter-disciplinary research in political economy & postmodern >>philosophy? > >Excellent idea; want to collaborate? > >Doug That will be really interesting. As a matter of fact, it is you who gav

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>Yes, but I'm continually baffled by the energy with which a group of >progressive economists denounce "pomo," having otherwise shown >little interest in culture, philosophy, or "Theory." It's a little >like old vets getting together to re-fight the war, except there was >no war. Bashing postm

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Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >Hume & Deleuze, Hayek & Foucault, Keynes & Queer Theory: clues for >inter-disciplinary research in political economy & postmodern >philosophy? Excellent idea; want to collaborate? Doug

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Jim Devine wrote: >BTW, Doug, is this the comparison we want to make (pomotistas vs. >neoclassical econ.)? isn't there a third alternative, like reading >LBO? Well of course. But I'm biased. Carrol Cox wrote: >The economists are clearly of the enemy, and are recognized as such by >all on the

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>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>Yoshie, do you get extra hazard pay for reading these people? > >Are "these people" any worse than most of the economics literature, >which is all too often obscure, abstract, remote from reality, and >apologetics for the status quo? > >Doug Hume & Deleuze, Hayek &

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I appreciate and am edified by Justin's summary below. Seems to me also behind much of the work of this school of thought is the project of getting more support for women's and gay liberation on the Left, and reputedly for liberations of peoples of color ( socalled new social movements). Howeve

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Doug Henwood wrote: > > Are "these people" any worse than most of the economics literature, > which is all too often obscure, abstract, remote from reality, and > apologetics for the status quo? The economists are clearly of the enemy, and are recognized as such by all on the left. So I would

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At 02:06 PM 9/8/00 -0400, you wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>Yoshie, do you get extra hazard pay for reading these people? > >Are "these people" any worse than most of the economics literature, which >is all too often obscure, abstract, remote from reality, and apologetics >for the status

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At 10:12 AM 9/8/00 -0700, you wrote: >". . . their epigones in the American academy amplify and vulgarize them >to a ludicrous extent. . . " isn't that what epigones always do, no matter what the school of thought? isn't that what defines epigones? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarm

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Yoshie, do you get extra hazard pay for reading these people? Are "these people" any worse than most of the economics literature, which is all too often obscure, abstract, remote from reality, and apologetics for the status quo? Doug

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JKSCHW wrote, > I have read and indeed taught the major pomos & > poststructuralists--Derrida, DeMan, Foucault, DeLeuze & Guttari, > Baudrillard, Lyotard, Rorty, and made an effort to get a grip on > Irigaray, Kristev, Butler, and Spivak. I am pretty > confident that they share a family resemb

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I have read and indeed taught the major pomos & poststructuralists--Derrida, DeMan, Foucault, DeLeuze & Guttari, Baudrillard, Lyotard, Rorty, and made an effort to get a grip on Irigaray, Kristev, Butler, and Spivak. I am pretty confident that they share a family resemblance in advocating: 1)

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Yoshie, do you get extra hazard pay for reading these people? > I've read every postmodern philosopher & literary critic of > importance (and then some); it's a part of the occupational hazards > of grad students in English. Therefore, my view is a considered > view, and if you so desire, I c

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>Gee, it seems that either a lot of folks have read much more >post-modernist stuff than I have or maybe it's that it is easier to make >sweeping generalizations about something on the basis of hearsay. There's >a lot of crap that gets written under the pretension of >post-modernism. The same can

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Gee, it seems that either a lot of folks have read much more post-modernist stuff than I have or maybe it's that it is easier to make sweeping generalizations about something on the basis of hearsay. There's a lot of crap that gets written under the pretension of post-modernism. The same can easil