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2004-05-24 Thread Dan Scanlan
Title: how many How many members of the Bush Administration are needed to replace a light bulb? The answer is seven: 1. One to deny that a light bulb needs to be replaced. 2. One to attack and question the patriotism of anyone who has questions about the light bulb. 3. One to blame

Re: How many history books cite Winnie as War Criminal?

2004-05-11 Thread Devine, James
Of course, Churchill isn't cited as the war criminal and racist that he was because (1) his last stint as PM involved a war against a generally-accepted bad guy; and (2) he won. Blair Bush may not win, while it's possible that they could become generally accepted as bad guys. -- Jimmy D.

Re: How many history books cite Winnie as War Criminal?

2004-05-11 Thread Carrol Cox
Devine, James wrote: Of course, Churchill isn't cited as the war criminal and racist that he was because (1) his last stint as PM involved a war against a generally-accepted bad guy; and (2) he won. Blair Bush may not win, while it's possible that they could become generally accepted as

Re: How many history books cite Winnie as War Criminal?

2004-05-11 Thread Ted Winslow
Jimmy D. wrote: Of course, Churchill isn't cited as the war criminal and racist that he was because (1) his last stint as PM involved a war against a generally-accepted bad guy; and (2) he won. Blair Bush may not win, while it's possible that they could become generally accepted as bad guys.

Re: How many history books cite Winnie as War Criminal?

2004-05-11 Thread Devine, James
Jimmy D wrote: Of course, Churchill isn't cited as the war criminal and racist that he was because (1) his last stint as PM involved a war against a generally-accepted bad guy; and (2) he won. Blair Bush may not win, while it's possible that they could become generally accepted as bad

How many history books cite Winnie as War Criminal?

2004-05-11 Thread k hanly
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6171.htm History Forgave Churchill, Why Not Blair and Bush? by Mickey Z. 19 July 2003 dissidentvoice.org -- On July 17, 2003, U.K. Prime Minister Tony Blair addressed a joint meeting of the U.S. House and Senate. The subject of WMD, of course, was

Mad cow served to how many in CA?

2004-01-17 Thread Seth Sandronsky
Recalled beef was served at Nevada County eateries By Jon Ortiz -- Bee Staff Writer Published 2:15 a.m. PST Saturday, January 17, 2004 Get weekday updates of Sacramento Bee headlines and breaking news. Sign up here. Three weeks after federal officials issued a recall of beef linked to a mad cow

Re: Re: Re: Bush Militarism- How many Divisionsare there in

2002-09-27 Thread Michael Hoover
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/22/02 13:52 PM 2) Carrol: I have been aware of a proposed conflict presidential power between the 'cowboys' (Texan based oil) the 'yankees' (northern based financial based capital). Is this outlandish inconsistent with facts? Hari former sdser/new leftist turned

RE: Re: Re: Re: Bush Militarism- How many Divisionsare there in

2002-09-27 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:30598] Re: Re: Re: Bush Militarism- How many Divisionsare there in agreeing with Michael H., The pluralist theory of competing factions makes sense -- once it's realized that the process of competition is weighted to benefit those with the most wealth or similar economic

Re: Re: Re: Re: Bush Militarism- How many Divisionsare there

2002-09-27 Thread Hari Kumar
Thanks Michael Hoover. The analysis I first read (re sectional interests the Yankees vs the Cowboys) did indeed invoke Ogelsby. It was in a work by W.B.Bland in an issue of Communist League from the 70's; discussed matters of the USA politics - from the Kennedy assassination - through to

Bush Militarism- How many Divisions are there in the capitalist class?

2002-09-22 Thread Hari Kumar
I have probably missed this due to recent absence, but what do list members think re the apparent divisions in the ruling class regarding assulting Iraq? i) Are these real divisions - or merely 'willpower'? Or do they represent mroe objective capitalist class divisions? ii) If the latter - What

Re: Bush Militarism- How many Divisions are there in the capitalist class?

2002-09-22 Thread Michael Perelman
I don't see much division, except how to market the war. Disgusting sight. On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 09:36:34AM -0400, Hari Kumar wrote: I have probably missed this due to recent absence, but what do list members think re the apparent divisions in the ruling class regarding assulting Iraq? i)

Re: Bush Militarism- How many Divisions are there in thecapitalist class?

2002-09-22 Thread Carrol Cox
They are more or less sharp _differences of opinion_. They are not in any politically significant sense _divisions_. There is no set terminology here, probably because there is no very strong tradition of theory and practice around ruling-class unity/division. And I think there is a reason for

Re: Re: Bush Militarism- How many Divisions are there in

2002-09-22 Thread Hari Kumar
Michael P said There are none. Carrol Said: "They are not in any politically significant sense _divisions_. ...And I think there is a reason for that: divisions in the ruling class occur only under heavy pressure from the working-class. Divisions on the international level, such as

Re: Re: Re: Bush Militarism- How many Divisions are there in

2002-09-22 Thread Michael Perelman
The restraints on Bush have been a suggestion that he get approval of congress and the UN before beginning the war. Going to the UN is expensive, because he has to bribe others to go along with it. I am not sure if some of the debate was not orchestrated in the first place. Once Bush agreed to

Bush Militarism- How many Divisions are there in the capitalist class?

2002-09-22 Thread Robert Manning
ation at risk for re-election, some segments of capital are concerned that their payoff may not materialize in two or three years.Robert D. Manning [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Hari Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pen-l <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [PEN-L:30446] Bus

Re: how many?

2000-07-02 Thread Brad De Long
question, unlike NPG or Dave Foreman. What's the number guys? How many people can the earth support? Doug And with what social institutions? Brad DeLong, wondering if any of his descendants will break down doors on night raids for the Fertility Police...

how many?

2000-07-01 Thread Doug Henwood
question, unlike NPG or Dave Foreman. What's the number guys? How many people can the earth support? Doug

Re: how many?

2000-07-01 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
question, unlike NPG or Dave Foreman. What's the number guys? How many people can the earth support? Doug Being a lit-critter, not a bean-counter, I have no idea, but now that you mention it, I'm curious. Suppose everyone on earth is to live (at least) at the level of Brad's living standard

RE: how many?

2000-07-01 Thread Mark Jones
Doug Henwood wrote: Our resident Club of Rome is extremely discreet on the population question, unlike NPG or Dave Foreman. What's the number guys? How many people can the earth support? We have been discussing not population, but energy, which the resident Simonists are extremely discreet

Re: Re: how many?

2000-07-01 Thread Doug Henwood
the working class deserve nothing less than that. How many Brads can the earth support? Or how many Brads can capitalism support? On a world scale, there's not much difference between you Brad. Someone with an income of $25,000 is richer than 98% of the world's population; even the bottom

Re: Re: how many?

2000-07-01 Thread Eugene Coyle
... Our resident Club of Rome is extremely discreet on the population question, unlike NPG or Dave Foreman. What's the number guys? How many people can the earth support? Doug Being a lit-critter, not a bean-counter, I have no idea, but now that you mention it, I'm curious. Suppose

Re: Re: Re: how many?

2000-07-01 Thread Eugene Coyle
the working class deserve nothing less than that. How many Brads can the earth support? Or how many Brads can capitalism support? On a world scale, there's not much difference between you Brad. Someone with an income of $25,000 is richer than 98% of the world's population; even the bottom decile

Re: Re: Re: Re: how many?

2000-07-01 Thread Doug Henwood
Eugene Coyle wrote: Doug, you ignore the demonstration effect. What a Chez Panisse patron does becomes the goal of the rest of us. The environment can only be saved by stopping the rich from consuming more. And more. And more. And more. And more. This is blame-shifting. It's like blaming

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: how many?

2000-07-01 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: Eugene Coyle wrote: Doug, you ignore the demonstration effect. What a Chez Panisse patron does becomes the goal of the rest of us. The environment can only be saved by stopping the rich from consuming more. And more. And more. And more. And more. This is

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: how many? (fwd)

2000-07-01 Thread md7148
Carrol, look! please! I have been following the discussions with amazement here! "Eco-fascism" is a mistakenly directed ad hominem-- an unfortunate mischarecterization, to justify the eco-fascism of capitalism and the demands of the mainstream environmental movement. Association of socialist

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: how many?

2000-07-01 Thread Eugene Coyle
It is not blame shifting. I am saying that Capitalism has us emulating the rich -- anybody richer than ourselves, regardless of whatever level we are at as individuals. And the people in the 89th percentile are driven to live like those in the 90th. I'm not saying that the rich consume all

Re: how many?

2000-07-01 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
the working class deserve nothing less than that. How many Brads can the earth support? Or how many Brads can capitalism support? On a world scale, there's not much difference between you Brad. Someone with an income of $25,000 is richer than 98% of the world's population; even the bottom

Re: Re: how many?

2000-07-01 Thread Carrol Cox
Brad De Long wrote: Brad DeLong, wondering if any of his descendants will break down doors on night raids for the Fertility Police... This everyone knows -- when living standards rise, birthrates fall unless artificially pumped up in some way. So there will be no need for fertility