Re: [PEN-L] Krugman: a peak oil believer?

ng as Sandwichman (taking his post in entirety). Or at least, that's how I read it. --ravi ravi wrote: On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Sandwichman wrote: "The whole peak business has to do with the technical capacity to extract *ever increasing quantities* of the product economical

Re: [PEN-L] Krugman: a peak oil believer?

This is excellently stated and in my opinion applies to all "progress" arguments. --ravi

[PEN-L] Countdown Special Comment on FISA: President Bush Is A Liar And A Fascist

outrage in the right wing, asking for apologies etc... is that because his viewership is small? Or perhaps my Google search was too cursory to come up with anything... --ravi

[PEN-L] Links and News [2008.02.19]

<http://platosbeard.org/archives/306> The big news is of course the elections in Pakistan --ravi = Wall St. Banks Confront a String of Write-Downs - NYT URL: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/business/19banks.htmlex=1361077200&en=fe688fa0499bb530&ei=5090&partner=rssus

Re: [PEN-L] LM leaving list "for a while"/China's socialist path

On Feb 18, 2008, at 10:42 PM, Doug Henwood wrote: On Feb 18, 2008, at 10:03 PM, ravi wrote: Doug questioned the guys credibility by calling Fox News "polemical genius" and other such stuff They are geniuses of polemic. That's a completely noncontroversial statement. I'm a

Re: [PEN-L] LM leaving list "for a while"/China's socialist path

(b) follow the recommendation of the moderator/owner (*). --ravi On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 08:43:27PM -0500, Louis Proyect wrote: It is actually not in very good form to subscribe to a mailing list and begin posting long provocative essays right off the bat. He would have been better off easing into

Re: [PEN-L] LM leaving list "for a while"/China's socialist path

od Socratic method, there. Kudos! Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®- get your "fix". Check it out. Figures! --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] Eric Sommer leaving list/China's socialist path

ou do offer this "scientific" counter-argument: In any event I recall reading something recently ... --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] China's Socialist Path

load of crap -- and yeah, propaganda too. Are you sure you want to get into credibility shooting with this particular argument, Doug? I advice against it! --ravi

[PEN-L] Netroots seek to send legal scholar Lessig to Congress

Legal theorist Lawrence Lessig, who has become an academic celebrity for his innovative work on cyberlaw and intellectual property in the digital age, made headlines late last year when he

[PEN-L] Links and News [2008.02.14]

== BBC | US retail sales in surprise rise URL: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7243029.stm US retail sales rose 0.3% in January official figures show, bolstered by sales of new cars and petrol. == BBC | Venezuela breaks ties with Exx

[PEN-L] Links and News [2008.02.11]

Another Goldman Perk: Sex Changes — NYT URL: http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/08/another-goldman-perk-sex-changes/index.html?ex=1360213200&en=bffbcafca7c69f64&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss Fortune.com reported Friday that Goldman a

Re: [PEN-L] Economists As Bullying Witch Doctors

organizations with different goals. The conclusion that organizations motivated by profits will be more efficient than other organizations does not follow the organizational economy from the neo-classical assumptions. Seems like a not too bad thing to say! --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] it's the water [was: apologia]

http://www.nrdc.org/water/drinking/nbw.asp (yet another badly formatted web page, unfortunately) --ravi

[PEN-L] The race factor among white voters

true or am I misreading this? --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

black people will wake up" and "get it" and they won't be afraid to vote for a black man. Oprah says we are now free of constraints of race and gender. The guy writing about it in the NYT says "it was a relief to hear someone finally frame it in a way that celebrated what the Democratic Party has achieved — and then move beyond it". --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

On Feb 8, 2008, at 3:38 PM, raghu wrote: On Feb 8, 2008 11:33 AM, ravi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://tinyurl.com/26ffym And his statement of my own point that Obama serves as a safety valve/ outlet and also as a stunted end not a means to our goals: In 2007, the Obama "pac

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

Neither will, is a safe enough assumption. If we really want to settle it, since we agree that the beast will not reform itself, then which presidency will instigate the people to push for such reforms? I argue that Obama surely will not, given the possibility that his presidency will echo his campaign, and that of Bill Clinton: inspiring rhetoric that hides the carpet bombing from public view. Hillary, gawky wonk that she is, can be counted on to carry out all her missteps in full public view and scrutiny. --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

On Feb 7, 2008, at 12:33 PM, ravi wrote: On Feb 7, 2008, at 7:58 AM, Matthijs Krul wrote: As was already pointed out, Obama's support comes mainly from a vast amount of small individual donations, ... 43% of Obama's donations come from donors who give more than $2300. Only 26%

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

it to collapse as long as plurality voting exists. So, then the question becomes: will the election of Obama help rid the US of "plurality voting" any more than the election of Clinton? The argument is that neither will have an impact, but if we have to choose one, it would have to be Clinton since she is less of a bromide or placebo than Obama. --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] I hope you all vote(d) for Obama

nce plan against Hillary's is a repeat of insurance industry attacks against her in 1992. From here, at the epicentre of the revolution, they all seem equally conservative, to me. If folks like Julio and Max think otherwise, then that gives me some hope/pause. --ravi

[PEN-L] Clinton losing among whites and blacks in California « - Blogs from CNN.com

support her. == With 10% reporting, Hillary is spanking Obama (55% to 32%) in CA. My home state (NJ) has already rejected the "change" artist ;-). With apologies to Julio, who despite my hopes, doesn't seem to have been kidding at all -- and therefore, unlike me, has a dog in the race. --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] I hope you all vote(d) for Obama

On Feb 5, 2008, at 5:59 PM, Charles Brown wrote: ravi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/05/2008 5:01 PM >>> On Feb 5, 2008, at 4:46 PM, Charles Brown wrote: CB: I'm thinking the majority of Americans will still vote for a white man over a woman or a Black person. What do the polls

Re: [PEN-L] I hope you all vote(d) for Obama

cussion of individuals on PEN-L, so I will try to refrain from further commentary on this fork of the thread. --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] I hope you all vote(d) for Obama

gered by a woman who crosses them vigjorously while they would more or less ignore the same behavior in another man. s/a woman/Yoshie/ ;-) Apologies for the geek-speak, --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] I hope you all vote(d) for Obama

es 50% while neither of the Dems do. This data is from my memory, based on stuff I read in the past on Polling Report. --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] I hope you all vote(d) for Obama

f his supporters, but like Dubya, he believes in his own chosenness and righteousness -- he perceives himself as a Jesus figure. His rhetoric about how this campaign is about "you" is both self-absolving and circular, because he is the projection (of the attainment) of what "you" want. --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] I hope you all vote(d) for Obama

e them, it make cynics out of them by the time they turn 30. There is, though, nothing radical about Obama's platform which is essentially a promise of quite the opposite. More soon... --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] I hope you all vote(d) for Obama

On Feb 5, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Julio Huato wrote: C'mon everybody in the U.S. Go out and vote. For Obama, of course. I really, really, really hope you are joking... (no way I am voting for Obama!) --ravi

[PEN-L] Is the 2007 U.S. Sub-Prime Financial Crisis So Different?

[via Paul Krugman's blog and other blogs] http://www.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/rogoff/files/Is_The_US_Subprime_Crisis_So_Different.pdf Is the 2007 U.S. Sub-Prime Financial Crisis So Different? An International Historical Comparison* Carmen M. Reinhart University of Maryland and the NBER

[PEN-L] Links and News [2008.02.04]

platforms, and it renders fairly decently. If, for a significant number of you, it is a mess at your end, please let me know, and I will abandon this effort. --ravi] <http://platosbeard.org/archives/296> === # Democracy Now! |

[PEN-L] Internet outage

A great map of the undersea cabling routes: <http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Technology/Pix/pictures/2008/02/01/SeaCableHi.jpg > (Please let me know if this way too off-topic to be of interest) --ravi

[PEN-L] The Galloping Beaver: Where is the USS Jimmy Carter?

<...> Those cables are about the width of a normal human thumb. And a ship's anchor would indeed rip right through one. But four? In three different locations in under a week? Run that little coincidence by any poli

[PEN-L] Links and News [2008.01.31]

[A quick note: I wish I could easily embed links to the original articles in this post, rather than having to post a link to my blog entry, like above. The problem is that I am cutting and pasting from my blog entry, and that does not preserve links. I

Re: [PEN-L] Capitalist pig of the month

analysis and understanding of politics in general. I hoped that his bold commentary indicated a suspicion of a system glued together by massive lies. Sadly, it appears that I was wrong. --ravi

[PEN-L] Links and News [2008.01.29]

= Telco immunity stalled: Senate blocks key vote The increasingly tangled debate over federal surveillance powers reached a new milestone today when a Republican cloture motion failed to pass after receiving only 48 of the required 60 votes. If the

Re: [PEN-L] Against Independent Voters - Stanley Fish

On Jan 24, 2008, at 4:16 PM, ravi wrote: The problem with independents, as Fish brilliantly identifies, is not that they refuse to choose between Democrats and Republicans but: Consistent, wholesome, common vs. conflicted, divided, factional. Mutual interests – interest that are shared

Re: [PEN-L] Against Independent Voters - Stanley Fish

o wonder he is teaching at a 3rd rate institution in Florida. That's a rather silly thing to say! --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] Against Independent Voters - Stanley Fish

On Jan 24, 2008, at 3:08 PM, ravi wrote: But to me (and I suspect a large segment of those befuddled by the ascendancy of pose over principle; not to forget the larger group falling prey to this seduction of independence) they were worth saying and I can think of few better writers than Fish to

Re: [PEN-L] Against Independent Voters - Stanley Fish

On Jan 24, 2008, at 2:04 PM, Louis Proyect wrote: ravi wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2lmeny Against Independent Voters We’re in that season now when we hear the same things being said over and over again, and nothing is said more often by political pundits than this election (it doesn’t matter

[PEN-L] Links and News [2008.01.23]

Links and News [2008.01.23] = Passing the Buck on Environmental Damage — ScienceNOW Humans inflicted $47 trillion worth of damage to the environment from 1961 to 2000, according to a new study, and poor nations are disproportionately footing the bi

[PEN-L] Links and News [2008.01.22]

[all: please advice if this sort of post is not of use] Paul Krugman: Debunking the Reagan Myth - SPIEGEL the furor over Barack Obama’s praise for Ronald Reagan is not, as some think, overblown. BBC | Macau revenues close in on Vegas Last

[PEN-L] Some bits of news and analysis...

http://platosbeard.org/archives/287 (will try to embed links to individual articles... just cutting and pasting from my blog post, today) = # Guardian | Bubble economics Alan Greenspan - the man primarily responsible for the current crisis. Greenspan, a

[PEN-L] Exonerated RIAA defendant scores double victory in court

[Please let me know if this sort of general news posts are inappropriate --ravi] http://tinyurl.com/yp8lbh A US District Court judge in Oregon has reaffirmed a magistrate's award of attorneys' fees and the dismissal of exonerated RIAA defendant Tanya Andersen's counterclaims a

Re: [PEN-L] interesting stuff from Krugman

ng of the realities of the public's mood: intolerance towards immigration, acceptance of civil rights violations (wiretapping, etc), and so on. --ravi

[PEN-L] NYT on Bernanke

The NYT writes up 10 pages on Bernanke. I read about 5 (non- contiguous)... in the possibility that you may fare better: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/magazine/20Ben-Bernanke-t.html --ravi

[PEN-L] The silence is defeaning...

What, no comments on my Krugman cartoon? ;-) I didn't find it all that funny myself, but enjoyed doing the graphics and such, and might try doing similar stuff if it is even mildly amusing to others. --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] Adbusters: Mankiw as a propaganda hack

/archives/281 (quotes are not literal!) --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] US EMpire Better than Alternative - Huh?

eserve preservation because they desire it and there is no reason offered on why they should be steamrolled over (as opposed to a "culture" like say the KKK), intentionally or otherwise. --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] US EMpire Better than Alternative - Huh?

great hits, U2/Bono. That make you nervous? ;-) --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] US EMpire Better than Alternative - Huh?

s probably subscribe to). --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] Left in Crisis

lf burned up the Internet trying to get the movement to denounce them. I am not sure which Yoshie was more off-base. Neither has to be. The solution to the paradox is found in the first few words of your post: "Once upon a time Hamas...". --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] I need internet help ASAP

if I will be able to get back on line once I turn off the computer. The above doesn't provide enough info... You get "Error 623" from what/ where? In your browser? When you try to access a site? Please provide more info. Or ping me online (IM). --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] Losing an Edge, Japanese Envy India?s Schools - NYT

dly a more selective group) have much more drive. I think your analysis of the cause (of performance/motivation disparities) is a lot more reasonable than the idea that the issues can be attributed to a lack of memorisation of multiplication tables at the age of three. --ravi

[PEN-L] Losing an Edge, Japanese Envy India’s Schools - NYT

multiplication tables far beyond nine times nine, the standard for young elementary students in Japan. And Japan’s few Indian international schools are reporting a surge in applications from Japanese families. --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] Download uproar

e the ISPs do not support/implement multicast? ;-) (Apologies for the techie humour). --ravi

[PEN-L] LRB · John Lanchester: Cityphilia

Probably too elementary for PEN-Lers, but I found the below to be the first lucid explanation of the sub-prime mortgage crisis: http://www.lrb.co.uk/v30/n01/lanc01_.html --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] Key findings in IAEA report on Iran

On Nov 16, 2007, at 9:09 AM, Ulhas Joglekar wrote: Reuters.com FACTBOX: Key findings in IAEA report on Iran http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL0670080720071115?sp=true Thu Nov 15, 2007 (Reuters) - Iran has made important strides towards nuclear transparency but not resolved key quest

Re: [PEN-L] revealing numbers

rt already mentioned these details in his show a week or so ago, when he filled in both party applications on the airwaves! ;-) --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] Human species 'may split in two'

from the conclusions of such manipulations. Hence the just inclination to take some of Gödel's Platonism, or Pauling's Vitamin C obsessions, Metcalfe's claims about network usage, all with a pinch of salt. --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] Camille Pissarro at the Jewish Museum

On 12 Oct, 2007, at 16:48 PM, Louis Proyect wrote: <...> He is known as the father of Impressionism, yet Camille Pissarro has always been <...> FWIW, I thought old Manet was considered the daddy? --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] Al Jazeera English - News - Turkey Recalls Ambassador To Us

On 11 Oct, 2007, at 16:51 PM, ravi wrote: Didn't see this posted: <http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/26032A87- FD90-4030-9619-29F09C5B3276.htm> Ankara has reacted angrily to a vote by a US House of Representatives' committee supporting the description of

[PEN-L] Al Jazeera English - News - Turkey Recalls Ambassador To Us

ks after 1915 as genocide. --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] new spirit of capitalism

al attacks over on LBO, is the unsurprising realisation that Americans (whether right, left or liberal) are masking (through simplification, rhetoric and the brute application of Western liberal goals) the complex reality and real issues that Iranians deal with. --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] minimum wage and (unrelated) issue on comparative inequality

where minimum wages do not necessarily create more unemployment? http://platosbeard.org/archives/257 which links to an EPI analysis. --ravi

[PEN-L] High flying without a parachute

here more to this than my simple understanding? --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] Socialism and free software

with cherished filters ("my way" or no revolution for any of you!), the significance of the free software movement and how each of us can and should participate. --ravi

[PEN-L] Conspiracy blowback!

http://www.wnyc.org/shows/lopate/episodes/2007/09/05/segments/84993 http://audio.wnyc.org/lopate/lopate090507apod.mp3 (about 15 mins in) The difference I guess is that Reich's version of unfair and silly name-calling of another person or group's position can actually impact them! :-( --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] Ethnic nationalism

play any more! Mommy: David, stop bothering the adults!! ;-) --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] Ethnic nationalism

h are ethnically based and Israel is one of the worst of them. No Nazi spectre required. --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] U. of Michigan pressured to halt publication of Joel Kovel book

t to an anti-semitic statement, and anti-semitism is a position that is worthy of legitimate criticism. --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] Peak Everything

poor? I think most of you would agree not. The effects of human rapacious consumption of finite resources are more acutely visited upon the 2 billion poor than on those with email addresses, yes? --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] Peak Everything

tion an economic category not geological. By definitions reserves are an amount of oil that can be produced in a specified period of time, using the currently available technology, and at a profit. You should look it up. I guess this is not flamey, as an 'economic point'. --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] Peak Everything

when that point ("peak") of turn-around occurs (though one could argue it has already occurred). But then again, what is the value in wilful ignorance sustained merely by the [possible] absence of impending consequence? --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] query: economist as hired gun

nning -- the trouble with the Microsoft issue is not the monopoly but the Microsoft. --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] Regulating the financial lemons market

mainstream economics seems to have a very vulgar (substitute 'reductionist' if you wish) understanding of 'rationality'. --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] a data question about the credit crisis

latter still does it better. ;-) Pampers I must admit makes the better wipes. Those things are so potent that I could get 7 years worth of solidified grease and goop off my motorcycle with just two or three wipes. (I am not joking!) --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] Which paper is the satire?

“Reading and relativism” <...> = --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] caving in [was: Recipeint of "National Medal of Science" on 9-11 as a false-flag operation]

On 27 Aug, 2007, at 14:07 PM, raghu wrote: On 8/27/07, ravi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think (as mentioned before) this sort of reasoning is a form of racism... that somehow Arabs cannot be as incapable as (an equally small, untrained group of) white people of doing certain thing

Re: [PEN-L] caving in [was: Recipeint of "National Medal of Science" on 9-11 as a false-flag operation]

On 27 Aug, 2007, at 13:55 PM, Bill Lear wrote: On Monday, August 27, 2007 at 13:40:29 (-0400) ravi writes: On 27 Aug, 2007, at 13:33 PM, Bill Lear wrote: Again, we can't BELIEVE mere Arabs are that clever. I mean, they are not WHITE, so how could they fool us? I think (as mentioned b

Re: [PEN-L] caving in [was: Recipeint of "National Medal of Science" on 9-11 as a false-flag operation]

ually small, untrained group of) white people of doing certain things that require a larger level of skill, training, organisation, participation, etc. --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] caving in [was: Recipeint of "National Medal of Science" on 9-11 as a false-flag operation]

rough mitochondria and the idea of symbiotic evolution. She has always had (I believe) the courage to take on ideas and be wrong at times, if at the cost of being ridiculed by cowards who are unable to employ the very tools of logic that they claim to uphold. --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] new postings to LBO website

m the front page: <http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com> Great stuff I am sure, but its amusing to watch your usual Luddite- hating self go through so much trouble to avoid the word "blog" or "RSS" ;-). --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] "American Democracy" Means Freedom For Iraqi Women

er to participate in the economy. What's-her-name would be happy that these women have now gotten up and gone to work. --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] Another scandal at the NY Times

On 15 Aug, 2007, at 23:23 PM, ravi wrote: http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp? vnu_content_id=1003622885 Ack... Damn Apple Mail. Here's the URL again: http://tinyurl.com/2k4k53 --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] Another scandal at the NY Times

perhaps more. This? http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp? vnu_content_id=1003622885 --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] PEN-L] coffin-nail tax

ithdraw my comment! ;-) --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] coffin-nail tax

ith excise taxes.) But in this case (assuming drop in smoking, not switch to alternative), Laffer's prescription does not apply since both effects are desirable: an increase in tax revenue or an increase in public health (which in turn decreases public spending). --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] Krugman on the credit crunch

On 10 Aug, 2007, at 14:09 PM, raghu wrote: On 8/10/07, ravi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At what point does the expert stop being an expert, and a science a science, when common sense continuously predicts accurately what the expert and the science only find out "in retrospect"

Re: [PEN-L] Krugman on the credit crunch

; (over and over again)? How do economic pundits of all stripes have any credibility whatsoever? I honestly don't get it... --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] Summer readings

On 21 Jul, 2007, at 17:02 PM, michael perelman wrote: Ravi has volunteered to do something like this several times, but the collective pen-l inertia won out. The offer stands. I still own wikileft.com though others can be registered for a few dollars if we can think of a better name. I do not

Re: [PEN-L] A question on the ethics of complicated econometric estimations

it. I am not suggesting that economics does not have similar examples. I am not an economist. But if there are such examples, as Michael says, lets hear them! --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] telemarketing hell - addendum

Two ideas: a) What if you do not hang up? Does it hang up at the other end? Perhaps if you didn't hang up it will reset the logic in some way at the other end? Or send some notification to a human? b) Who is the ad for? Perhaps you can call that company? --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] What's wrong with conspiracy theories?

e above!]. I read this and realised... indeed this fellow is right at least in one instance. So, I stopped reading. Well to be honest, I read the next paragraph which led me to wonder... hmm... isn't that exactly how the mainstream and the Right describe us in the Left? But then, I have mentioned that before... --ravi

[PEN-L] Iran: The Proper Attitude!

ntirely verboten! --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] The resistance in Mexico

walk around and spend time there. --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] windows xp firewalls

ivity -- but first you need to define poor connectivity: dropped link? failed connections? slow? I have heard from more than ten users that Norton's (Symantec?) firewall slows their computer down, but that's still anecdotal. --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] a neoliberal manifesto

on TPM. I am speaking of this: http://tpmcafe.com/files/pictures/picture-11236.jpg Looks like someone who might put out a contract on me! --ravi

Re: [PEN-L] A question about list policies

On 26 Jun, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Doug Henwood wrote: On Jun 26, 2007, at 11:32 AM, ravi wrote: the proper attitude of Western leftists towards Iran I hadn't realized there was a Correct Line on the question. I should pay closer attention. You should subscribe to my blog, buddy! I pos

Re: [PEN-L] A question about list policies

Iran and the West (one of her latest posts on LBO, regarding the proper attitude of Western leftists towards Iran, is particularly well put). I do understand the need to keep list traffic under control and on topic. --ravi

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