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From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Davies
This, I think is Searle's point; a machine set up in the right way could
produce milk and sugar, but it would not do so by virtue of the fact that it
instantiated a particular Turing machine.
dd
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This, I think is Searle's point; a machine set up in the right way could
produce milk and sugar, but it would not do so by virtue of the fact that it
instantiated a particular Turing machine.
dd
(I think that Outlook has truncated the title of this thread, although if
Steven Rose did write a book
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From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ravi
isn't there an essential confusion here, between a simulation and an action?
computers, just like human brains (gedanken experiments?) can run
simulations, but they can act too. a computer simulation will prod
Charles Brown wrote:
How about biotech computers ?
i wondered about that too. but a lot of the work in this area is stuff
implanted into humans, so the question of "does it think?" doesnt have
the same impact.
and in areas where micro-controllers are being wedded to biological
tissues/sensors, the
On Sunday 20 March 2005 4:27 pm, Carrol Cox wrote:
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> Subject: Re: [Marxism] Re: [PEN-L] More Godel
> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:41:57 -0500
> From: Les Schaffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> here's a snippet from the latter, reminds me _of our friend
> D'Amasio:
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> ""
Charles, you haven't read Les Shaffer's post to the marxism list on this
topic.
^^^
Carrol,
How about biotech computers ?
Charles
^
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> i do not see it as the equivalent of matrix, where a virtual reality is
> created and maintained. but if you are a materialist, a human is no
> diff
Eubulides wrote:
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> Habitual ex cathedra pronouncements are even worse.
Ex Cathedra, properly used, refers to a pronouncement from an authority
who has some sort of authority to impose the judgment on others. It is
not properly applied to statements which have no
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From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Devine, James
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 4:28 PM
To: PEN-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Lewontin reviews Steven Rose's latest book on the bra
>Carroll wasn't even making an argument. He me
>Carroll wasn't even making an argument. He merely stated a claim with no
evidence, nor with any indication of understanding how many of the very terms he
deployed have shifted their meanings over the last 25-30 years. One simple
example; there is nothing in so-called strong AI that is inconsistent
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From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Devine, James
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:22 PM
To: PEN-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Lewontin reviews Steven Rose's latest book on the bra
> When was the last time you took or taught a
> When was the last time you took or taught a class in philosophy of mind or
> computer science? Ditto for metaphysics.
hey, lots of people talk about economics on this list server
without ever having taken or taught a class in economics.
What's important is whether or not their arguments make
Eubulides wrote:
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> When was the last time you took or taught a class in philosophy of mind or
> computer science? Ditto for metaphysics.
I imagine that Searle, who is quoted in my post, has some awareness of
thos worlds. :-) I'm just in a position where I have to choose from
disputants in a
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From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carrol Cox
The belief in the possibility of a "thinking computer" is a dualist --
i.e., an idealist -- conception for it assumes that "thinking" is
independent of the biological organism in which it occurs.
I fou
Charles Brown wrote:
>
> i do not see it as the equivalent of matrix, where a virtual reality is
> created and maintained. but if you are a materialist, a human is no
> different from a computer. we may have been programmed by nature while
> computers may
> need programming by us. nonetheless, if
i do not see it as the equivalent of matrix, where a virtual reality is
created and maintained. but if you are a materialist, a human is no
different
from a computer. we may have been programmed by nature while computers may
need programming by us. nonetheless, if a finite mass (the human populatio
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