[PEN-L] dicta

2007-06-01 Thread michael a. lebowitz
At 16:21 01/06/2007, sartesian wrote: Just a point, and I don't think it's minor or just semantic. There is no Marxian political economy. There is no Marxist political economy. Marxism begins with a contribution to the end of political economy. says who? michael Michael A. Lebowitz P

Re: [PEN-L] dicta

2007-06-01 Thread Carrol Cox
"michael a. lebowitz" wrote: > > At 16:21 01/06/2007, sartesian wrote: > > >Just a point, and I don't think it's minor or just > >semantic. There is no Marxian political economy. > >There is no Marxist political economy. Marxism begins > >with a contribution to the end of political economy. > > s

Re: [PEN-L] dicta

2007-06-01 Thread michael a. lebowitz
At 20:45 01/06/2007, carrol wrote: "michael a. lebowitz" wrote: > > At 16:21 01/06/2007, sartesian wrote: > > >Just a point, and I don't think it's minor or just > >semantic. There is no Marxian political economy. > >There is no Marxist political economy. Marxism begins > >with a contribution

Re: [PEN-L] dicta

2007-06-01 Thread Shane Mage
Carroll wrote: > >Just a point, and I don't think it's minor or just >semantic. There is no Marxian political economy. >There is no Marxist political economy. Marxism begins > >with a contribution to the end of political economy. says who? Well, I suppose one could answer, Karl Marx

Re: [PEN-L] dicta

2007-06-01 Thread sartesian
- Original Message - From: "michael a. lebowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 7:44 PM Subject: [PEN-L] dicta > At 16:21 01/06/2007, sartesian wrote: > > >Just a point, and I don't think it's minor or just > >semantic. There i

Re: [PEN-L] dicta

2007-06-01 Thread sartesian
For a dialectician, for Marx, extraction of the real content requires the overthrow of the alienated form. Political economy is precisely the alienated form. - Original Message - From: "Shane Mage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 11:08 PM Subject: R

Re: [PEN-L] dicta

2007-06-02 Thread michael a. lebowitz
At 23:28 01/06/2007, sartesian wrote: Says Marx. In everything he writes he attacks political economy [of capital], exposing its class function. He is quite clear on what political economy [of capital] is-- an ideological function, a necessary obscuring of the actual social relation of producti

Re: [PEN-L] dicta

2007-06-02 Thread sartesian
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Re: [PEN-L] dicta

2007-06-02 Thread michael a. lebowitz
At 08:04 02/06/2007, sartesian wrote: Michael, First, I sense I may have personally offended you, and/or others. That is not at all my intention. But regarding Marx's statement addressing the First International Marx's makes lots of statements that may or may not be consistent with the f

Re: [PEN-L] dicta

2007-06-02 Thread sartesian
OK, will check into those works... and try to avoid expressing disagreements as dicta. - Original Message - From: "michael a. lebowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] dicta > At 08:04 02/06/2007, sartesian

Re: [PEN-L] dicta

2007-06-02 Thread Jim Devine
check into those works... and try to avoid expressing disagreements as dicta. - Original Message - From: "michael a. lebowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] dicta > At 08:04 02/06/2007, sartesian wrote: > > &g