Re: Hackathon logistics

2008-03-25 Thread Gabor Szabo
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 6:38 AM, Salve J Nilsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > *) Whiteboards, markers & erasers. > > > > Lots of whiteboards for taking notes. At least one whiteboard just for > > projects being worked on, the "grid" at BarCamps is an example. > > We'll have at least 5 rooms

Re: Hackathon logistics

2008-03-25 Thread Salve J Nilsen
Michael G Schwern said: *) Access for wirelessless laptops? There'll definitely be wireless for everyone, but I'll look into this too (it shouldn't be much of a problem.) *) Whiteboards, markers & erasers. Lots of whiteboards for taking notes. At least one whiteboard just for projects

Re: Hackathon logistics

2008-03-25 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 26 Mar 2008, at 01:07, Michael G Schwern wrote: * Do we have one? Andy, can we use hex-ten? Yup, sure. I can also do any hosting that might become necessary. -- Andy Armstrong, Hexten

Re: Hackathon logistics

2008-03-25 Thread David Golden
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * If you have a spare USB wireless thing, please bring it. I'll bring a spare pocket WAP router that I think can be set to serve as a client to bridge from a hub to a wifi network. That may provide flexibility over t

Re: My Perl QA Hackathon Wishlist

2008-03-25 Thread Michael G Schwern
Gergely Brautigam wrote: One last question then I swear I will shut up :) Why use perl for testing? Of course all others languages are used for testing this > and that.. What excels perl to be used for testing. Obviusly it has powerfull regex, > and datahandling capabilities... But besides tha

Hackathon logistics

2008-03-25 Thread Michael G Schwern
A few logistical items that I'd like to make sure are being taken care of for the hackathon. The idea is to work this out now to maximize our in-site hacking time. I don't know what the status of this is, but here's what I can think of off the top of my head. *) Access for wirelessless lap

Re: My Perl QA Hackathon Wishlist

2008-03-25 Thread James E Keenan
On Mar 25, 2008, at 2:57 PM, Salve J Nilsen wrote: Feel free to show up! Those who do get to decide what to do. ;-) Unfortunately I'm an ocean away and between lack of vacation time and the decline of the US$, I won't be able to attend. Which is why it was a wishlist! But I do follow

Re: My Perl QA Hackathon Wishlist

2008-03-25 Thread Gabor Szabo
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Gergely Brautigam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well... We used Java with JUnit and .NET with NUnit... C++ for low level > testing and so fort and so on.. They all had there advantages and > disatvantages. I use perl for nearly one and a half year now. But appart >

Re: My Perl QA Hackathon Wishlist

2008-03-25 Thread Salve J Nilsen
James E Keenan said: 1. A "canned" training session, "Learn Test::Harness 3.0," that would provide the user with a guided tour of T::H 3+ and have him/her actually type and run examples of the new functionality. "Canned" in the sense that at a local Perlmongers meeting everyone could downlo

RE: My Perl QA Hackathon Wishlist

2008-03-25 Thread Gergely Brautigam
Thank you very much Andy! I case I win... I definatly will! Thx for the link, I will work throuh it! Gergely. -Original Message- From: Andy Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 3:27 PM To: Gergely Brautigam Cc: perl-qa@perl.org Subject: Re: My Perl QA Hackat

Re: My Perl QA Hackathon Wishlist

2008-03-25 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 25 Mar 2008, at 14:22, Gergely Brautigam wrote: No it's not :) I was just asking, and answering. I like perl and I will use it more on. I was just filosofing away and trying to get answers for why is perl good. Because when we will get a new project I want perl to be the test environment

RE: My Perl QA Hackathon Wishlist

2008-03-25 Thread Gergely Brautigam
No it's not :) I was just asking, and answering. I like perl and I will use it more on. I was just filosofing away and trying to get answers for why is perl good. Because when we will get a new project I want perl to be the test environment and the WILL ask questions like these :) Thank you in any

Re: My Perl QA Hackathon Wishlist

2008-03-25 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 25 Mar 2008, at 14:05, Gergely Brautigam wrote: Frankly, I don’t know :) Like I said I'm only learning... You know thinking it's only actually a scripting language it can be pretty powerfull, but it stays a scripting language after all. Know higher class decalrations and no higher hiera

RE: My Perl QA Hackathon Wishlist

2008-03-25 Thread Gergely Brautigam
Frankly, I don’t know :) Like I said I'm only learning... You know thinking it's only actually a scripting language it can be pretty powerfull, but it stays a scripting language after all. Know higher class decalrations and no higher hierarchy apart from moduls. So I'm only guessing that in lar

Re: My Perl QA Hackathon Wishlist

2008-03-25 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 25 Mar 2008, at 13:53, Gergely Brautigam wrote: Well... We used Java with JUnit and .NET with NUnit... C++ for low level testing and so fort and so on.. They all had there advantages and disatvantages. I use perl for nearly one and a half year now. But appart form the weird syntax and the

RE: My Perl QA Hackathon Wishlist

2008-03-25 Thread Gergely Brautigam
Well... We used Java with JUnit and .NET with NUnit... C++ for low level testing and so fort and so on.. They all had there advantages and disatvantages. I use perl for nearly one and a half year now. But appart form the weird syntax and the golfs, and the perl haiqus it's a pretty interesting lang

RE: Why use Perl for testing? (was Re: My Perl QA Hackathon Wishlist)

2008-03-25 Thread Gergely Brautigam
Thank you very much Andy! Nah I don't have a problem anymore :) We used a self built perl environment with simultanius calls to other perl programs listening on ports and linux systems simulating simultanius user actions, like opening a file, then while it's open trying to delete it from windows

Re: My Perl QA Hackathon Wishlist

2008-03-25 Thread Gabor Szabo
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Gergely Brautigam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One last question then I swear I will shut up :) > > Why use perl for testing? Of course all others languages are used for > testing this and that.. What excels perl to be used for testing. Obviusly it > has powerful

Why use Perl for testing? (was Re: My Perl QA Hackathon Wishlist)

2008-03-25 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 25 Mar 2008, at 12:41, Gergely Brautigam wrote: One last question then I swear I will shut up :) Why use perl for testing? Of course all others languages are used for testing this and that.. What excels perl to be used for testing. Obviusly it has powerfull regex, and datahandling capabi

RE: My Perl QA Hackathon Wishlist

2008-03-25 Thread Gergely Brautigam
One last question then I swear I will shut up :) Why use perl for testing? Of course all others languages are used for testing this and that.. What excels perl to be used for testing. Obviusly it has powerfull regex, and datahandling capabilities... But besides that.. Why would anyone want to u

RE: My Perl QA Hackathon Wishlist

2008-03-25 Thread Gergely Brautigam
Actually that is a point I will return to... Thx Gabor, Gergely. -Original Message- From: Gabor Szabo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:44 AM To: Andy Armstrong Cc: Gergely Brautigam; perl-qa@perl.org Subject: Re: My Perl QA Hackathon Wishlist On Tue, Mar 25, 20

model-based testing

2008-03-25 Thread mailinglisten
Hi *, are there any Perl modules for model-based testing [1]? Are there any talks about model-based testing with Perl? Cheers, Renee [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-based_testing --- $foo - Perl-Magazin -> http://www.foo-magazin.de YAPC::Europe 2008 vom 13.-15. August in Kopenhagen -> h

RE: My Perl QA Hackathon Wishlist

2008-03-25 Thread Gergely Brautigam
Very good :) thank you! -Original Message- From: Andy Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:42 AM To: Gergely Brautigam Cc: perl-qa@perl.org Subject: Re: My Perl QA Hackathon Wishlist On 25 Mar 2008, at 10:36, Gergely Brautigam wrote: > Heh :) Alrighty then

Re: My Perl QA Hackathon Wishlist

2008-03-25 Thread Gabor Szabo
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Andy Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 25 Mar 2008, at 10:36, Gergely Brautigam wrote: > > Heh :) Alrighty then :) sooo if I would have a perl based test > > environment, then I could ask questions about it here, right? > > > Yes, absolutely :) On the o

Re: My Perl QA Hackathon Wishlist

2008-03-25 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 25 Mar 2008, at 10:36, Gergely Brautigam wrote: Heh :) Alrighty then :) sooo if I would have a perl based test environment, then I could ask questions about it here, right? Yes, absolutely :) -- Andy Armstrong, Hexten

RE: My Perl QA Hackathon Wishlist

2008-03-25 Thread Gergely Brautigam
Heh :) Alrighty then :) sooo if I would have a perl based test environment, then I could ask questions about it here, right? -Original Message- From: Andy Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:32 AM To: Gergely Brautigam Cc: perl-qa@perl.org Subject: Re: My

Re: My Perl QA Hackathon Wishlist

2008-03-25 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 25 Mar 2008, at 10:23, Gergely Brautigam wrote: I've been reading the letters for a while now... This group is related to Perl modul testing, or testing with perl? I can't deside :) More or less anything that benefits quality :) -- Andy Armstrong, Hexten

RE: My Perl QA Hackathon Wishlist

2008-03-25 Thread Gergely Brautigam
I've been reading the letters for a while now... This group is related to Perl modul testing, or testing with perl? I can't deside :) -Original Message- From: Andy Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:17 AM To: James E Keenan Cc: perl-qa@perl.org Subject:

Re: My Perl QA Hackathon Wishlist

2008-03-25 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 25 Mar 2008, at 01:00, James E Keenan wrote: 1. A "canned" training session, "Learn Test::Harness 3.0," that would provide the user with a guided tour of T::H 3+ and have him/ her actually type and run examples of the new functionality. "Canned" in the sense that at a local Perlmongers m