On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 07:18:34AM +0530, Abhijit Menon-Sen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 2003-11-03 21:35:22 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > Just wondering, is keys() optimized for void context?
>
> Yes. From doop.c:Perl_do_kv:
>
> OP *
> Perl_do_kv(pTHX)
> { ...
>
>
On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 01:05:06PM -0400, Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 04:43:12PM +0200, H.Merijn Brand wrote:
> > > Please consider 0.50 very soon, in which you fix 'err' calls that are an
> > > obvious mistake given defined-or functionality in blead and 5
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 10:32:26AM -0800, Michael G Schwern wrote:
> #!/usr/bin/perl -w
>
> use Getopt::Long;
>
> my %Opts;
> GetOptions(\%Opts, "test");
>
> sub main {
> return if $Opts{test};
>
> ...the program using the
On Mon, Mar 28, 2005 at 03:10:52PM -0800, Michael G Schwern wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2005 at 08:42:50AM -0500, Christopher H. Laco wrote:
> > That's another gripe of mine about M::B and create_makefile_pl.
> > It puts the requires AND build_requires in the PREREQ_PM in the
> > Makefile.PL, which I
On Mon, Mar 28, 2005 at 08:35:34PM -0800, Michael G Schwern wrote:
> > Whether things that are required for *testing* belong in
> > build_requires really depends on whether you view testing as an
> > integral part of the build process. This is something that is likely
> > to depend on the *builder
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 09:00:17PM +0200, Thomas Klausner wrote:
> Well, kwalitee != quality. Currently, kwalitee basically only says how
> well-formed a distribution is. For my definition of well-formed :-) But I'm
> always open to suggestion etc.
Since you ask...
An important part of kwalitee t
On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 10:43:57AM -0500, Ricardo SIGNES wrote:
> * "David A. Golden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-04-02T05:27:18]
> > Andy Lester wrote:
> > >Why is there a scoreboard? Why do we care about rankings? Why is it
> > >necessary to compare one measure to another? What purpose is being
On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 05:09:39PM -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote:
>
> So, I conclude that is_deeply()'s behavior is ok and something like
> Test::Deep should be enhanced with an option to deal with this
> problem.
So, am I correct in understanding that is_deeply will only notice
value difference
On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 07:11:26AM +, Smylers wrote:
>
> To me 'deeply' implies recursing as deep as the data structure goes, not
> that there's a special rule for the top-level that's treated differently
> from the others.
Nobody is saying is_deeply shouldn't be deep. If I understand
correc
On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 05:57:51PM +0200, demerphq wrote:
> On 7/1/05, David Landgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > demerphq wrote:
> > > it is important that this is debated outside of just the perl-qa list
> > > (its not that high traffic or visibility IMO) so I have taken the
> > > liberty of s
On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 12:24:12AM -0700, chromatic wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-07-02 at 08:55 +0200, demerphq wrote:
>
> > The entire basis of computer science is based around the idea that if
> > you do the same operation to two items that are the same the end
> > result is the same. Without this ther
On Sun, Jul 03, 2005 at 01:53:45PM +0200, demerphq wrote:
> Actually about the only thing that seems to be really "hard" is doing
> comparison of blessed regexes with overloaded stringification. For
> that you need XS if you want it to work always.
Now there's a sick idea.
If blessed regexes with
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 02:19:16PM +0100, Paul Marquess wrote:
> Whilst I'm here, when I do get around to posting a beta on CPAN, I'd prefer
> it doesn't get used in anger until it has bedded-in. If I give the module a
> version number like 2.000_00, will the CPAN shell ignore it?
This is often do
On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 04:52:34PM -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote:
> I think you're using export_to_level() wrong. $self should really be $class
> for starters. And the way you're using it symlink_ok() always gets
> exported even if the user says "use Test::Symlink ()". You should be passing
> i
On Mon, Aug 15, 2005 at 05:58:23PM +0200, S?bastien Aperghis-Tramoni wrote:
> use strict;
> use Test::More tests => 2;
> use Test::Exception;
> use Net::Pcap;
>
> throws_ok(
> sub { Net::Pcap::lookupdev() },
> '/^Usage: Net::Pcap::lookupdev\(err\)/',
> "
On Sun, Oct 02, 2005 at 01:42:05PM +0200, Torsten Schoenfeld wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 14:40 -0700, chromatic wrote:
>
> > Does doing it in two steps work? Instead of:
> >
> > > is_deeply ($obj->get ('some_flags'), ['value-one', 'value-two']);
> >
> > perhaps:
> >
> > my @flags = @{ $ob
On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 07:06:08PM +1100, Kirrily Robert wrote:
> Does anyone else find that SKIP: { } blocks bugger up the debugger?
> I'll be happily bouncing on the "n" key to get to round about the
> vicinity of the failing test, and then blam, it sees a skipped test
> and just fast-forw
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 10:25:44PM -0500, David Golden wrote:
> Jeffrey Thalhammer wrote:
> >* Should a test script have a shebang? What should it
> >be? Any flags on that?
>
> I often see "-t" in a shebang. One downside of the shebang, though, is
> that it's not particularly portable. As chr
On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 03:42:58PM +0100, Tels wrote:
> On Thursday 26 January 2006 15:26, Thomas Klausner wrote:
> > I just uploaded Module::CPANTS::Analyse to CPAN. MCA contains most of
> > the previous Kwalitee indicators and some code to check if one
> > distribution tarball conforms to those i
On Sat, Jan 28, 2006 at 12:02:41AM +0100, Tels wrote:
> Moin,
>
> On Friday 27 January 2006 23:43, Tyler MacDonald wrote:
> > Jeffrey Thalhammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Randy Kobes distributes Win32 PPMs for some of the
> > > modules that ActiveState doesn't provide. It is not
> > > enti
On Sun, Jan 29, 2006 at 12:04:22PM +0100, Tels wrote:
> Just witness Graph::Dependency, it will fail when their is no META.yml
> available, and what do you want me to do then? Parse Makefile.PLs?
The "correct" WTDI is to execute the Makefile.PL and parse the resulting
Makefile, looking for the PR
On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 02:56:09AM -0800, Tyler MacDonald wrote:
> A new module doesn't need to be added to the core, so long as there
> is a way that we can reliably detect when a person wishes to build and test
> any given perl package for an objectively unselfish purpose such as
> 1:prepac
On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 10:01:48AM -0800, Tyler MacDonald wrote:
I strongly feel that authors should keep everything necessary
for their distribution public; either in the CPAN distribution
itself, or via a "permanent" publicly available version control
system.
Who's to say you won't lose interes
On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 08:16:11AM +0200, Offer Kaye wrote:
> OT question - why is Scalar-List-Utils listed as "CORE"? It is not
> part of the Perl5 core
http://perldoc.perl.org/perl58delta.html#New-Modules-and-Pragmata
On Mon, Feb 20, 2006 at 11:36:27AM +, Barbie wrote:
> > 12. System is incompatible with the package.
> > Linux::, Win32::, Mac:: modules. Irreconcilable differences.
>
> Not sure how you would cover this, but point 12 seems to possibly fit.
> POSIX.pm is created for the platform it's insta
On Sat, Mar 11, 2006 at 10:20:29AM +0100, Tels wrote:
> B when it breaks, end-users cannot fix the problem for themselves, they
> need to bug the author and he has to release a new version. (Good luck
> with that with sparsely maintained modules...)
Last time this happened to me, I just replaced
I remember working with some module that had tests something like:
use Test::More;
plan tests => numtests();
...
is($foo, $bar, 'foo is bar');
sub numtests { 13 }
So that when you added a new test to the bottom, the number to modify
was right there also. Ring a bell with anyone?
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 10:32:12PM +1000, Adam Kennedy wrote:
> Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote:
> >On Sat, Mar 11, 2006 at 10:20:29AM +0100, Tels wrote:
> >>B when it breaks, end-users cannot fix the problem for themselves, they
> >>need to bug the author and he has to r
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 11:01:17AM +0200, Marcus Holland-Moritz wrote:
> The only thing worth mentioning is that with perl 5.003,
> the following happens:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ perl5.003 Makefile.PL
> Can't locate ExtUtils/Command.pm in @INC at Makefile.PL line 4.
>
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 11:34:12AM +0200, Marcus Holland-Moritz wrote:
> On 2006-04-23, at 02:26:54 -0700, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 11:01:17AM +0200, Marcus Holland-Moritz wrote:
> > > The only thing worth mentioning is that with perl 5.003
On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 02:29:38PM +0300, Gabor Szabo wrote:
> On 7/13/06, Fergal Daly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I could change it so that it tries to figure out whether it's being
> >used for real or not and disable the END block code but that's stress
> >and hassle. As a module author, as far
Test::Builder has a method use_numbers to turn off test numbering; this
can be useful when running tests in different processes. But the doc
says:
> Most useful when you can't depend on the test output order, such as when
threads or forking is involved.
>
> Test::Harness will accept either, but a
chromatic wrote:
> On Wednesday 14 March 2007 01:37, Smylers wrote:
>
>> chromatic writes:
>
>> > There ought to be a way to capture diagnostic information in the TAP
>> > stream because it's useful for diagnosing problems.
>
>> Does that help with the case where it's an 'ordinary' Perl-generated
>
David Cantrell wrote:
> Michael G Schwern wrote:
>
>> First thing is breaks, and probably most important: No warnings.
>
> Any test suite that blithely ignores warnings is BROKEN.
>
> There are two types of warning. First, those which you deliberately
> spit out, like "use of foo() is deprecated,
> On 14 Mar 2007, at 07:29, chromatic wrote:
>> The problem is that there's no way to tell that that information
>> sent to
>> Test::Builder->diag() is diagnostic information for the tests
>> because once it
>> goes out on STDERR, it could be anything.
>
> So we seem to have two reasonably sensible
David Cantrell wrote:
> Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote:
>> David Cantrell wrote:
>>> Any test suite that blithely ignores warnings is BROKEN.
>>> The second type of warning is the one that tells you when you the
>>> author
>>> have fucked up, like,
chromatic wrote:
> One issue that hasn't come up much is that you can't always rely on STDERR
> being available when a human looks at the test results.
>
> Think of testing long-running programs in process, testing in the browser
> (whether via JavaScript Test.Builder or Apache::Test), and automate
Michael G Schwern wrote:
> print "TAP version 15\n";
> print "1..1\n";
> print "# Information\n";
> print "not ok 1\n";
> print "! Failure\n";
I'd really not like to see meaningful punctuation. How about
"diag Failure\n". Or even levels of keywords debug/info/notice/warning/
Kirrily Robert wrote:
> What I want to know is, should I just bin it? Or might it, in fact, be
> useful to someone somehow? Or is it just bad form to completely delete
> CPAN modules? I guess I could update it with a new version that says
> "Don't use me."
You could just put out a CPAN-Test-Rep
On Tue, July 31, 2007 9:56 pm, chromatic wrote:
> On Tuesday 31 July 2007 20:25:15 Salve J. Nilsen wrote:
>> Turning off syntax checking of your POD is comparable to not turning on
>> warnings in your code. Now would you publish code developed without
>> "use
>> warnings;"?
>
> Now that's just sil
On Sun, January 6, 2008 4:54 pm, demerphq wrote:
> So we are told the way to mark a module as development is to use an
> underbar in the version number:
>
> $VERSION= "1.23_01";
>
>
> but this will produce warnings if you assert a required version number, as
> the version isn't numeric.
>
> So the
Eric Wilhelm gmail.com> writes:
> Aside: I have often wished that base.pm had simply said eval("require
> $base") and been done with it
http://search.cpan.org/perldoc/parent#HISTORY
On Sun, April 6, 2008 9:28 pm, Gabor Szabo wrote:
> Is there a W3C validator that works locally on my computer?
You mean an X?HTML validator?
I haven't used it, but:
http://htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/offline/index.html.en
On Sun, April 6, 2008 9:28 pm, Gabor Szabo wrote:
> Is there a W3C validator that works locally on my computer?
>
> All the modules I found so far use the http://validator.w3.org/ service
> including Test::HTML::W3C but that's not really usable in a frequently
> running test suit.
The source for
Someone who's actually looked at this stuff may want to update
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_Anything_Protocol
I think there's also stuff on that page that needs updating
re: Test::Harness 3.
On Tue, May 13, 2008 2:44 pm, chromatic wrote:
> PHP's Symfony has a test framework called lime, base
On Thu, October 23, 2008 10:37 am, chromatic wrote:
> I don't care about backchannel communication between other authors and
> CPAN
> Testers, but how can you blame Shlomi for thinking that public humiliation
> isn't a vital component of Kwalitee? There's prior art:
>
> http://cpants.perl.org/hig
On Thu, February 12, 2009 4:20 am, Gabor Szabo wrote:
> the one in the docs looks like this:
>
> # $foo isn't empty
> isnt( $foo, '', "Got some foo" );
>
> which feels such a weak test I don't think I'd write it.
Somewhat longer version of the same thing:
my $warn = '';
%SIG{__WARN__} = sub {
On Wed, February 25, 2009 6:06 pm, Michael G Schwern wrote:
> $ prove --exec 'cat -' test.dummy
> test
>
> Now you can write TAP and finish with ctrl-d. But test.dummy has to
> exist.
/dev/null works for me.
Perhaps you could post your tricks:
http://perlmonks.org/?node=Meditations#post
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