On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 05:47:59PM +, Fred Heutte wrote:
> And so there's a bit of a three-dimensional Rubik's Cube
> game here to try and rejigger the use of the keyboard to make the
> language more efficient and productive and maybe even clean out
> some of the accumulated crud out there.
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Simon Cozens makes a good point in response to my slightly overamped
oration on the qualities of dissent.
I am seeing most of the current discussion on this list as being
brainstorming on details, not painting the vast new blue skies,
and that is as it should be.
Acknowledging that making change
On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 05:14:23PM +, Fred Heutte wrote:
> It strikes me as counterproductive to say, "Oh, that's ALREADY been
> decided" (with the distinct undertone of "by the way please note
> how out of touch you are"), or "That's fine but we're not designing
> Perl 5 here" (with the appar
Simon Cozens writes:
>> However, we are not designing Perl 5.
This gets to a theme that is turning into more and more of an
irritant in following (and very occasionally participating) in the
ongoing discussion here.
There seems to be a sense among some participants that certain issues
are Off L
On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 05:35:53PM -0400, John Porter wrote:
> Yep... particularly considering something neat like
> keys(%a) = @b;
See my earlier comments on lvalue operators. I *hope* lvalues will be
a lot more flexible in Perl 6. :)
--
Be not anxious about what you have, but about what
Graham Barr wrote:
> And what is wrong with
> @a{@b} = ();
> which I use all the time.
I use it too, because that's the perl5 idiom. But what's "wrong" with
it is that you don't have a set on the LHS, you have some funky hash
slice thing, with both the hash AND the keys being assigned into it
On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 05:35:53PM -0400, John Porter wrote:
> Edward Peschko wrote:
> > If
> > %a = @b;
> > does
> > %c = map{ ($_ => undef ) } @a;
>
> Yep... particularly considering something neat like
>
> keys(%a) = @b;
And what is wrong with
@a{@b} = ();
which I use all th
Edward Peschko wrote:
> If
> %a = @b;
> does
> %c = map{ ($_ => undef ) } @a;
Yep... particularly considering something neat like
keys(%a) = @b;
could be defined to do that. Or, even niftier
@%a = @b;
--
John Porter
* Simon Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05/07/2001 13:46]:
>
> > To quote you:
> > : http://dev.perl.org/rfc/28.pod
> >
> > I'm not trying to be a jerk at all, but I think at times we're losing
> > sight of the above.
>
> I hope not, since it was primarily written with you in mind. :)
Hmm, that's o
On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 01:43:56PM -0700, Nathan Wiger wrote:
> To quote you:
> : http://dev.perl.org/rfc/28.pod
>
> I'm not trying to be a jerk at all, but I think at times we're losing
> sight of the above.
I hope not, since it was primarily written with you in mind. :)
--
"He was a modest,
* Simon Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05/07/2001 13:33]:
>
> > I'm not against a "cleaner" way to do qw() in principle, but I
> > definitely think <> is not it for a lot of reasons (glob, readline,
> > can't use =>, iterators, ...)
>
> Sheesh. Yes, those would be problems with using <> in Perl 5.
>
Larry Wall wrote:
> We do have to worry about the C loop control function though.
> It's possible that in
>
> FOO: while (1) {
> next FOO if /foo/;
> ...
> }
>
> the C label is actually being recognized as a pseudo-package
> name! The loop could well be an object whose full
Uri Guttman wrote:
> what larry seems to want is qh() for quote hash.
> %foo = qh( foo bar baz )
> is like
> %foo = ( foo => 1, bar => 1, baz => 1 )
Thank you for giving me a chance to drag out my favorite
soapbox again. :-)
What is needed is better support for treating hashes as
s
On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 01:27:52PM -0700, Nathan Wiger wrote:
> I'm not against a "cleaner" way to do qw() in principle, but I
> definitely think <> is not it for a lot of reasons (glob, readline,
> can't use =>, iterators, ...)
Sheesh. Yes, those would be problems with using <> in Perl 5.
Howev
* Simon Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05/07/2001 13:17]:
>
> Bother. Well, you'd have to quote it, but then you wouldn't really have
> a hash key called => that often, either.
Yeah, but you couldn't make use of a way to assign alternate values without
some specialized syntax. I don't think this:
>
> > I think Uri's qh() suggestion is the cleanest:
>
> Interesting train of thought, since one of the ideas was that qw() is
> ugly and has to go. (Larry's been saying this for nearly two years now,
> it's just that people sometimes don't listen. :) Let's keep it and add
> something similarly
On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 01:14:12PM -0700, Nathan Wiger wrote:
> Actually, it couldn't be because the > in => would end the parsing.
> Same problem that the POD <> chars have.
Bother. Well, you'd have to quote it, but then you wouldn't really have
a hash key called => that often, either.
> I thin
* Simon Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05/05/2001 17:51]:
> > %foo = ( foo => 1, bar => 1, '=>' => 'baz' )
>
> Of course, that could be spelt
>
> %foo = <+foo +bar =>("baz")>;
Actually, it couldn't be because the > in => would end the parsing.
Same problem that the POD <> chars have.
I think Ur
> Grocers either stock [durians] outside or frozen.
And I believe there are laws in some of the SE Asian countries where they
are more common that makes getting on public transportation with a durian
illegal.
Jeff
>
> $$STDIN # Return one element regardless of context.
> @$STDIN # Return number of element wanted by context.
> *$STDIN # Return all element regardless of context.
>
How about
$STDIN.$ # Return one element regardless of context.
On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 09:06:47PM -0700, Nathan Wiger wrote:
>%a = (%b : %c);# flattened like Perl 5
Why not this?
*%a = (%b, %c); # flattened. splat!
This makes sense to me since * is already proposed as the slurping
operator and since the LHS is providing context
On Sun, 6 May 2001, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote:
> "durian".
Aw, nuts. You beat me to it. Do we really think the externals will be
spiky and the internals smelly but delicious?
--- Joe M.
[Quoting Michael G Schwern, on May 6 2001, 22:58, in "Re: Apo2: \Q ambigui"]
> Hmmm, maybe you can point out the "compose" key on my keyboard, I
> can't find it. ;)
Pick whatever you find convenient. I use the right control key.
From my .Xmodmap:
! Compose key
keycode 109 = Multi_key
> I kn
On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 10:07:50AM -0400, John Porter wrote:
> Isn't the functional definition of a sub
> just another one of its attributes, anyway?
Oh my. Form 1, Content 0.
--
An ASCII character walks into a bar and orders a double. "Having a bad
day?" asks the barman. "Yeah, I have a pari
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> :
> : why should a reader expect that a declarative description
> : of &foo would be followed by the body of &foo?
Isn't the functional definition of a sub
just another one of its attributes, anyway?
--
John Porter
Old stuff becomes relevant again...
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Simon Cozens wrote:
> John Porter wrote:
> > $thing is;
> Existence is not the same as essence.
strike() while $the_iron is;
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